The Box of Chocolates Thread (You never know what you're going to get!)

As for the radio , lol
nicola tesla did that, and then the germans did it all, tvs radios and all.

Great, now do the Catholic Church. Are they Marxists?

Abolishing private property is many orders of magnitude worse than Holocausting all the non-Aryan people in the whole world?

Absolutely utterly yes it wasn't? Not in the sense Marx intended it at all? And it wasn't a class to begin with, that's ALREADY Marxist framing (!!!!)

There is no oppression in voluntary exchanges, labor is so different within all the kinds of arrangements lumping it all togheter is absurd and loses any descriptive power, and so on.

Servants, indentured or otherwise existed, and those were oppressed to some degrees depending on details.

But the person free to choose between farm or factory, and within those two large categories between employers, oppressed? It doesn't make any sense to claim that, it's a void word without the Marxist framework.

Under the Marxist LTV framework capital is "stealing" from them so magically they become all oppressed.

That malthusian dynamics up until recently (compared to Marx times) ended up creating conditions for which the vast majority of people lived very badly, sure.

That's not "oppression", that's just a society where productivity is low, resources are scarce, and almost everyone is poor

They did have that guy who told us the sun didn't go around the earth. And the one who gave us the general formula for solving cubic equations. And few who painted some stuff. And that dude who added a couple of numbers together to get the next one.

And as for the Romans... no idea what they ever did for us.

Laborers, generally, including the large class of factory worker and not limited to officially indentured servants or anything like that, weren't free by any definition in Germany in 1867.

This pope has some Marxist tendencies but usually no.

Their claims aren't predicated on oppressor/oppressed.

They just claim they represent the correct interpretation of the words of an almighty god and everything follows from that.

Very similar to Chinese emperors of the past, but with far less temporarily power at least these days.

Gladiators. Hot sweaty gladiators.

the pope they gave us and the mafia.

and luigi, super mario, and the turtles. thats about it.

oh and dario minieri.

There were more people employed in farms than in industry lol.

Even in 1890 40% of the labour force was still in farms.

And farm capital was at war for decades against industrial capital for obvious reasons (the same happened in many other countries), another example of why treating capital as a monolith that determines social dynamic is literally absurd, it's a made up falsity with no bearing with reality.

Same for labour.

Now how were factory workers not free in Germany? They were not allowed to leave and go to work elsewhere?

Btw the communist manifesto is from 1848 and already had the Marxist framing so it's a little weird to use 1867 as reference but whatever

And Pelosi

Not sure how well known Money Python is over there; any Brit will have instantly recognised that reference:

Yes, there are many things worse than death.

One of them is living in a totalitarian hell with no escape.

Worldwide abolition of private property properly enforced would probably be worse than human extinction.

It shouldn't surprise you that as a libertarian I much prefer death to life without basic freedom, like it is not even remotely close?

I'd rather have the ethnic/cultural group I am part of exterminated than subjugated under permanent north-korea like totalitarianism worldwide (so no escape possible).

How is this even controversial?

Check the numbers when you post something lol

That's 0.1% of the population.

California the same year lost what, 1%, ten times as many?

Theb check how many 18-39 Germans leave Germany and so on, you might be surprised

Ordinary German didn't have freedom of movement. That was a right guaranteed in the Frankfort Parliament in 1848 but repealed in 1851 and I think only regained in the Weimar Republic in 1919. But we know how you feel about borders.

it means brain drain, which means pretty soon your stuck with only old people, who will die. and then? more bunga parties and mafia?
not even possible.

i can already buy a house for 1 euro in italy which is worth much more.
they are trying to attract people to live there.

its still not worth it. econcomy is totally corrupted.
Im half italian and have a friend who just moved back from italy.
he got extorted by the mafia btw.

Europe was full of Kings and Queens and titled aristocrats and you're denying that there was class.

Man that rate of emigration for that cohort is normal and happens everywhere, in many places more than in italy, that's the part you probably still dont understand.

I deny there was a class as defined by Marxism yes.

Society has always been very stratified, but people at the same status level very often fight against each others more than against people at other levels.

And that happened all the times at the top as well.

What is class useful for if most of society struggles are within a class lol

no, if there would be jobs in the north they would go there,
and stay in the country.
anyone with a degree or not is leaving the country, bc a.-there are no jobs and b,- there is no future in this country. espeacially people with qualifications are moving out.

In fact many move to the north.

Some, once they decide to move and given we have free access to 20+ other countries, just move elsewhere.

I hope all the gender studies graduates leave btw

whats with all these rural coastal villages?
why are they looking like ghost towns? what is going in there?
nobody wants to live there? it looked like italy is soon gone at least the people.