The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
We don't have 15 Lia Thomases, but we do have 16 female athletes suing the NCAA over its misogynist policy, and that inevitable pushback, occurring everywhere all the time, against a ludicrous ideology, is why we don't have 15 Lia Thomases.
I wonder how many lawsuits the NCAA has against it from its athletes at any given time
At what point do the preferences of actual women and girls come into the equation? If a woman (maybe with a history of being sexually harassed or molested) says she doesn't feel comfortable with biological men in her spaces, who are you to tell her that she's wrong?
Why shouldn't women have the right to have a (biological) female only space if they want it?
Never, the freedom of people who don't want to associate with someone doesn't exist in his framework
I didn't actually prescribe any laws at all.
If you want to know women's preferences you could let them vote on it. They vote a lot better than men do on these issues generally.
No, that's just who sublime said was likely to get killed. I agree with Luciom that anyone with a brain could easily leave the protest if anyone started getting violent, or not go to begin with if it seems like the kind of thing likely to get violent.
Personally I think only people who like wasting their time and have nothing better to do participate in peaceful protesting. But I think it extremely rare that anything planned as a "peaceful protest" would become violent. Most of the violence done at protests has been planned to happen by the organizers.
Yeah one cool fact about women's sports is that we do not in fact have 15 Lia Thomases destroying all of competitive sport and all of these hysterical fears seem overblown.
Sure but given it's obvious Lia Thomases shouldn't exist at all to begin with, let's have them compete with their biological peers and not with women.
Notice how magically this is never an issue for female-to-male trans, I wonder why
a source that claims that sexual assault is super rare (in general, well before discussing trans issues) should be tossed away as complete garbage (on any topic) given this (and this is a pro-trans-activist bathroom policies BECAUSE sexual assaults are very common, and they think they can reduce them a tad for trans by allowing them to use the bathroom of their choice)
Of all students surveyed, 1 out of every 4, or 25.9%, reported being a v
I'm almost positive that statistic of 1 in 4 students being the victim of sexual assault is from a sample of trans and non-binary kids. The numbers are lower for cisgender students.
No, that's just who sublime said was likely to get killed. I agree with Luciom that anyone with a brain could easily leave the protest if anyone started getting violent, or not go to begin with if it seems like the kind of thing likely to get violent.
Personally I think only people who like wasting their time and have nothing better to do participate in peaceful protesting. But I think it extremely rare that anything planned as a "peaceful
I used to think the same because usually what we heard were overblown ridiculous claims of basic rights being denied when in general people just wanted more money their way and protested for that.
But when western states introduced and implemented the worst violations of basic rights of the whole population on western peacetime history because a Chinese cold had arrived in the west, I understood there can be a case for protests.
I moved the marxist discussion to boc also. Good discussion but not on topic and over 40 posts so it got moved.
And the issue is all trans people in sports? Is Lia singled out to show the pitfalls of any trans people being allowed to participate in sports?
Uh? Trans people should ALL be allowed to participate in sports and any policy forbidding that would be outrageous.
They just have to compete with their biological peers.
Men to female trans should be allowed, OBVIOUSLY, to compete in men sports, anyone disagreeing is a very bad person.
Can I keep referring to trans activism as a Marxist endeavor whenever I feel it makes sense to do so, or would those posts be moved as well?
That's fine. It was the 40 or so posts about what is Marxism, what is cultural marxism, most of which had no mention of or connection to the transgender topic that I moved.
Uh? Trans people should ALL be allowed to participate in sports and any policy forbidding that would be outrageous.
They just have to compete with their biological peers.
Men to female trans should be allowed, OBVIOUSLY, to compete in men sports, anyone disagreeing is a very bad person.
So female to male trans should be allowed, OBVIOUSLY, to compete in womens sports?
Yes obviously if they don't take testosterone?
If they do that's properly considered doping so no.
But plenty of women who think they are men don't take testosterone so they should be allowed to compete with women, and I think they are currently, and they do compete.
I would certainly not ban a girl who self identifies as trans at 14 and doesn't take any doping drug to compete with other girls in sports, nor I am aware of anyone who wants to ban them. And if someone who wants to ban that girl exists I disagree with him
Testosterone is the secret sauce but testing to appropriate levels isn't good enough? Sounds pretty discriminatory
Testosterone is the secret sauce but testing to appropriate levels isn't good enough? Sounds pretty discriminatory
lol man if you go through puberty as a biological man you get permanent advantages, even if you later take testosterone suppressants.
while if you are a biological woman, testosterone is a doping drug and blatantly so.
it both gives advantages in the present if you take it's and in the past if you underwent puberty as a biological man
lol man if you go through puberty as a biological man you get permanent advantages, even if you later take testosterone suppressants.
while if you are a biological woman, testosterone is a doping drug and blatantly so.
it both gives advantages in the present if you take it's and in the past if you underwent puberty as a biological man
What mythical permanent advantages are we talking about here? If we assume Lia is an outlier then what data point do you have to support your assertion?
What mythical permanent advantages are we talking about here? If we assume Lia is an outlier then what data point do you have to support your assertion?
Any decent male collegiate athlete in almost any sport would dominate the best women in the world. The only sense in which Lia Thomas is an outlier is that he is the only one who took the piss to such a degree.
