Israel/Palestine thread
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The plan is as awful as it is stupid. You’re talking about a forced displacement and internment on a scale that hasn’t been seen since WW2.
There was and still only is only one play: reconstruction for demilitarization while fighting for every PR win possible to counter the collateral damage of your military operations.
Israel WILL pay, in treasures to win hearts and minds or in lives and treasure to defend against the flywheel of hatred it s
I was just answering the question
This sounds like a joke but frozen food heated up in mobile kitchens (glorified food trucks) is how modern armies feed a lot of people, including in disaster relief situations where millions of people need to be fed.
I have said the following repeatedly but it needs to be said again.
The Gazan civilians are so hungry, whatever the Israelis feed them will be essentially consumed on the spot. The risk of leaking food aid to Hamas (except those blended into the population) is negligible weighed against the amount of human suffering/deaths such feeding would prevent.
Unless, of course, you go full stupid and just send the aid into a random area and let whoever has guns take the aid. You know, like what the Israelis are making people do now.
The plan is as awful as it is stupid. You’re talking about a forced displacement and internment on a scale that hasn’t been seen since WW2.
There was and still only is only one play: reconstruction for demilitarization while fighting for every PR win possible to counter the collateral damage of your military operations.
Israel WILL pay, in treasures to win hearts and minds or in lives and treasure to defend against the flywheel of
Israel is smaller population wise than the metro area I live in. Do they even have 50,000 troops total in Gaza right now? Given war could start on the northern border any minute on top of this, I think it is pretty unrealistic to have 50,000 troops committed solely to food aid, while you are fighting one war and a second one could start up any minute (Lebanon).
Pulling up all the reservists for the initial Gaza invasion was actually a very big drag on Israel's economy. And this is on top of losing a big chunk of their manual labor workforce (Palestinians) for the foreseeable future.
I think you completely underestimate the existential threat Israel is under, and over-estimate their capabilities, especially as it pertains to manpower. You can have all the technology in the world, and great training and professionalism your military (which no one is arguing Israel even has) and there is still extreme limits on what a nation of 6 million (roughly the Jewish population minus the Haredim) can accomplish.
If the UN was functional and trustworthy, and Palestinians were less violent, this all sounds like something the UN should be doing. But the UN is completely corrupt and rotten to the core, and no nation wants the bad PR of aid workers being killed by Palestinians while trying to bring them food. This has happened to Egypt, and is causing a lot of domestic unrest there.
Very good twitter thread about the food related lies pushed by the anti-israel narrative, all sourced ; gazeans basically always had enough food, and they do now.
Then ofc if hamas keeps stealing most of it, that's a problem, but not an israeli made one.
lol
It is amusing to imagine some Hamas guys sitting on a mountain of bags of flour in a warehouse somewhere.
Yeah cuz a bunch of fine upstanding lads like Hamas would never steal.
World food program of the UN is one of the sources claiming they are starving, except their OWN DATA has price for food in gaza decreasing very fast in the last 60+ days
https://www.wfp.org/publications/202324-...
(as per twitter thread above).
I'm conflicted
Israel needs to destroy hamas. The world wants them to do it without killing excess civilians
So Israel is just staying near rafah and exchanging some fire but isn't really moving in the way they want to
They eventually will but they are hoping someone will help the civilians
Israel is being attacked from the north so need military for that. It's not like Israel has unlimited resources
So i think until the election, the status quo will remain.
The aid is obviously getting into the tunnels. I guess that's good since some hostages are in the tunnels. But ideally three power supplies to the tunnels need tu be severed so all can come out
I'm conflicted
Israel needs to destroy hamas. The world wants them to do it without killing excess civilians
So Israel is just staying near rafah and exchanging some fire but isn't really moving in the way they want to
They eventually will but they are hoping someone will help the civilians
Israel is being attacked from the north so need military for that. It's not like Israel has unlimited resources
So i think until the election, the statu
You teach math, but u can't put 2 and 2 together? Lol
way to gamble the future. And even then, one day trump will be gone.
Maybe a good idea to listen to when even the usa is telling you that you have lost the plot. I'm not sure netanyahu cares given his willigness to do anything to survive but I dont think risking losing usa support is playing well with his main support or general population.
they can do anything they want right now with Biden! they are doing what they want!
way to gamble the future. And even then, one day trump will be gone.
Maybe a good idea to listen to when even the usa is telling you that you have lost the plot.
That's why israel is just standing pat
They aren't leaving until all the tunnels are destroyed and hamas is out of power
So you guys gave been falsely claiming that gaza has been occupied these 18 years, now you get your wish
Israel will occupy Gaza until they can accomplish their goals. If civilians are just staying in rafah, then status quo it is
I'm conflicted
Israel needs to destroy hamas. The world wants them to do it without killing excess civilians
So Israel is just staying near rafah and exchanging some fire but isn't really moving in the way they want to
They eventually will but they are hoping someone will help the civilians
Israel is being attacked from the north so need military for that. It's not like Israel has unlimited resources
So i think until the election, the statu
Israel got over 100k active soldiers. Even allocating 5% to administering aid would dramatically improve conditions for both the Gazan civilians and long term peace.
If the Israelis are so worried about aid getting into the tunnels, the best thing to do is to distribute the aid themselves.
5000 soldiers
500 inspecting, escorting, and distributing from 100 (that's 5 guards per truck) trucks every 4 hours, assume 2 shifts, and you got 2,000 trucks a day. It's not that big of a requirement. And frankly having the soldiers there would make Rafah more secure anyway, and make it easier for Israel to actually find the tunnels.
That's why israel is just standing pat
They aren't leaving until all the tunnels are destroyed and hamas is out of power
So you guys gave been falsely claiming that gaza has been occupied these 18 years, now you get your wish
Israel will occupy Gaza until they can accomplish their goals. If civilians are just staying in rafah, then status quo it is
That goal doesn't stand much scrutiny. It's highly unlikely that Hamas (by whatever name) can be destroyed this way. At least as likely that they will be strengthened.
If israel lose usa support then netanyahu will have turned a small existential threat into a massive one.
That goal doesn't stand much scrutiny. It's highly unlikely that Hamas (by whatever name) can be destroyed this way. At least as likely that they will be strengthened.
If israel lose usa support then netanyahu will have turned a small existential threat into a massive one.
Imagine Israel loses USA support, then islamists attack again, that's when Israel gets the complete support it needs to eliminate the threat.
Have you thought about it?
It's either Israel can do it on its own no matter Biden objections, or the USA leaves space for terrorists to hit again and then the world is back in favour of Israel.
If you truly commit that way as Israel you succeed no matter what. Only question is how many Israelis die in the process, and that depends on Americans.
Of course i can
Israel also knows that if Trump wins they can do whatever they need to do and not lose american aid
No you can't. Bc you are ignoring this is all set up by bibi and co. They wanted Hamas.
Also they can't in this instance imo. What makes you think they can go crazy under trump?
