Israel/Palestine thread
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That goal doesn't stand much scrutiny. It's highly unlikely that Hamas (by whatever name) can be destroyed this way. At least as likely that they will be strengthened.
If israel lose usa support then netanyahu will have turned a small existential threat into a massive one.
The tunnels need to be destroyed
A new government need to be put in
And an occupying force of some kind needs to remain several years. Ideally that force wouldn't be Israel but it may be
I dont think Trump does anything much different than Biden. however, the Dems would criticize him which would be funny considering they just did a genocide themselves.
regardless, if this goes on until November then there wont be too many Gazans alive.
No you can't. Bc you are ignoring this is all set up by bibi and co. They wanted Hamas.
Also they can't in this instance imo. What makes you think they can go crazy under trump?
Such a bad statement
It's irrelevant if Israel wanted hamas or not. It's not worth debating
October 7 happened. So whether bibi helped prop up hamas or not, it still cannot and will not remain in power
Have you seen the statements Trump has made this week?
"You have to finish up your war,” Trump told the Israel Hayom in an interview that the right-wing newspaper said had been recorded over the weekend. “You have to finish it up, you got to get it done.”
He will let them do what they need to do to finish the war. Don't let it linger but finish it now
Ie do whatever to destroy the tunnel network in rafah
I dont think Trump does anything much different than Biden. however, the Dems would criticize him which would be funny considering they just did a genocide themselves.
regardless, if this goes on until November then there wont be too many Gazans alive.
Lol, are you willing to do a bet where, if this (military Israeli presence in Gaza) goes on till November and there are at least 1.5m current gazean resident alive anywhere in the world I win and you permaban yourself from here, otherwise you win and I permaban myself AND donate 1k to the UNRWA? (I can send to escrow, but you send as well and it gets donated to a right-wing cause if my choice if you don't leave 2+2)
how many tunnels have they destroyed? you dont hear much about the tunnels anymore. I dont think Israel is willing to do what it needs to do to destroy the tunnels. that would involve a lot more dead tiktok soldiers.
their whole plan is simply kill civilians until Hamas gives itself up, which is a strategy that almost never works. and, if you believe the Israeli propaganda about how Hamas doesnt care if their people die and even welcomes it, then the strategy makes even less sense.
Lol, are you willing to do a bet where, if this (military Israeli presence in Gaza) goes on till November and there are at least 1.5m current gazean resident alive anywhere in the world I win and you permaban yourself from here, otherwise you win and I permaban myself AND donate 1k to the UNRWA? (I can send to escrow, but you send as well and it gets donated to a right-wing cause if my choice if you don't leave 2+2)
lol ofc I take this bet
wait, why would I escrow? you may want to edit your post bc from what I can tell I am not putting up any money
how many tunnels have they destroyed? you dont hear much about the tunnels anymore. I dont think Israel is willing to do what it needs to do to destroy the tunnels. that would involve a lot more dead tiktok soldiers.
their whole plan is simply kill civilians until Hamas gives itself up, which is a strategy that almost never works. and, if you believe the Israeli propaganda about how Hamas doesnt care if their people die and even welcom
Still disagree. Israel media reports the huge tunnels. Hamas own Twitter videos are from tunnels. If Israel doesn't destroy the remaining tunnels then all the deaths were for naught
wait, why would I escrow? you may want to edit your post bc from what I can tell I am not putting up any money
It's 1k if you lose and dont quit
Though he didn't word it right i see
Lol, are you willing to do a bet where, if this (military Israeli presence in Gaza) goes on till November and there are at least 1.5m current gazean resident alive anywhere in the world I win and you permaban yourself from here, otherwise you win and I permaban myself AND donate 1k to the UNRWA? (I can send to escrow, but you send as well and it gets donated to a right-wing cause if my choice if you don't leave 2+2)
lol doing God's work here.
Netanyahu said that he canceled an Israeli delegation set to go to Washington to discuss efforts to safeguard civilians in Rafah in the event of a ground offensive because he wanted to "send a message to Hamas." He also told Republican Senator Rick Scott that "the U.S. decision in the [UN] Security Council was a very, very bad move. The worst part about it was that it encouraged Hamas to take a hard line."
PM Netanyahu's office told the White House it wants to reschedule a canceled meeting in D.C. on a planned military operation in Rafah, NBC reported, citing a U.S. official.
The families of soldiers held hostage by Hamas are expected to meet with Netanyahu on Thursday.
"Netanyahu can continue to talk about Israel's unique independence and go on promising the citizens 'total victory' that'll soon destroy Hamas. But in practice, Netanyahu will find it difficult to do anything without the Americans" - Amos Harel
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So yes without Us support it becomes difficult for israel to proceed. But they won't recede either
Status quo
you can just donate 1k to UNRWA right now and I will perma
so whats the bet? bc your post isnt clear.
the bet is:
1) if no military Israeli presence in Gaza on election day, nobody wins
2) if any military presence (can put a quantitative threshold but we would need to nominate a third party judge to adjudicate in that case) ->
2a) out of the currently approx 2.3m Palestinians in Gaza, if at least 1.5m are alive anywhere on this planet, I win and you perma quit from here (no money loss).
2b) less than 1.5m are alive, I lose, 1k I put in escrow goes to UNRWA (or another pro palestianian org you can name if UNRWA doesn't exist anymore by then), and I permaquit from here
in order to guarantee you act under 2a), you escrow 1k, which you get back 6 months after you perma by the escrow, if you lost the prop
not putting up 1k lol
The tunnels need to be destroyed
A new government need to be put in
And an occupying force of some kind needs to remain several years. Ideally that force wouldn't be Israel but it may be
If you think anyone else wants to go there, I have a bridge to sell you. If the Israelis, who possess the territory, want to map and fill in the tunnels, then they will do so.
I dont think Trump does anything much different than Biden. however, the Dems would criticize him which would be funny considering they just did a genocide themselves.
regardless, if this goes on until November then there wont be too many Gazans alive.
So if it’s Biden that did genocide until last week , anything Israel does from here is on them , so they could kill maybe 1-5k without any problem of being accused of genocide correct ?
It’s Biden fault !
I told you months ago when Biden didn’t do **** about convincing bibi to stop !
I told you then bibi wouldn’t listen anyway and here we are today !
Biden is culpable in this genocide by providing weapons, aid, propaganda, and assurances to Israel.
