The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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30 June 2023 at 04:48 PM
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by lozen P

I doubt the CBC will broadcast the piece as the Government will shut it down


For the non-Canadians just an FYI that this is a completely unhinged far-right conspiracy theory about the CBC. In reality "the Government" has zero editorial control of the CBC. No stories are "shut down" because the government doesn't want something said about trans people. It is just completely nonsense. I'm sure you can all guess that already, but you to be clear here lozen is spewing pure BS.


by uke_master P

For the non-Canadians just an FYI that this is a completely unhinged far-right conspiracy theory about the CBC. In reality "the Government" has zero editorial control of the CBC. No stories are "shut down" because the government doesn't want something said about trans people. It is just completely nonsense. I'm sure you can all guess that already, but you to be clear here lozen is spewing pure BS.

this is ignorant, their funding comes from the government

there may not be marching orders coming on down from a propagandist department in ottawa, but the influence is still present and you're a fool to argue otherwise


it could certainly be 100% true that the government neither dictates trans coverage to the CBC while also being 100% true that the CBC is heavily influenced and self censored because of government funding - primarily through top management all serving at the pleasure of the government which appointed them to the position

former journalist here and contractor for the us government, I'm not specualing here


by rickroll P

this is ignorant, their funding comes from the government

there may not be marching orders coming on down from a propagandist department in ottawa, but the influence is still present and you're a fool to argue otherwise


it could certainly be 100% true that the government neither dictates trans coverage to the CBC while also being 100% true that the CBC is heavily influenced and self censored because of government funding - primarily through t

This is also nonsense, but at least it is much less nonsense than lozen's "the government will shut it down". The CBC retains 100% editorial independence. Almost all sloppy "but maybe they self censor" type arguments have repeatedly been shown to be false in the Canada thread, and if you wish we can give into it there, but the simple fact is no government is shutting down reporting on some story about trans people from the CBC. That is complete BS.

CBC News is governed by policies laid out in its Journalistic Standards and Practices, which states: "We are independent of all lobbies and of all political and economic influence... Public interest guides all our decisions."

""CBC/Radio-Canada is publicly funded through a parliamentary appropriation that is voted upon by all Members of Parliament. Its editorial independence is protected in law in the Broadcasting Act.""


From the act itself:

(3) This Act shall be construed and applied in a manner that is consistent with

(a) the freedom of expression and journalistic, creative and programming independence enjoyed by broadcasting undertakings and creators;


by uke_master P

This is also nonsense, but at least it is much less nonsense than lozen's "the government will shut it down". The CBC retains 100% editorial independence. Almost all sloppy "but maybe they self censor" type arguments have repeatedly been shown to be false in the Canada thread, and if you wish we can give into it there, but the simple fact is no government is shutting down reporting on some story about trans people from the CBC. That is comp

you're not listening to me, you're arguing against strawmen I agreed do not exist


Does the CBC generally show interviews that PBS records?


Looks like the story was done by "Radio Canada" which may well be part of the CBC and they've already broadcast it. It seems to be French, from Quebec, so I'm not sure.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_righ...


Seems like people are addicted to outrage and they just fly off without the least bit of investigation themselves. This piece that them libruls will never allow to be broadcast has already been broadcast and this trans visibility day that them libruls intentionally put on Easter to throw it in the face of god fearing good christians had nothing at all to do with Easter.


by uke_master P

For the non-Canadians just an FYI that this is a completely unhinged far-right conspiracy theory about the CBC. In reality "the Government" has zero editorial control of the CBC. No stories are "shut down" because the government doesn't want something said about trans people. It is just completely nonsense. I'm sure you can all guess that already, but you to be clear here lozen is spewing pure BS.

Next, Losern will claim there is a ride in the number of cases of govt suppression of stories on the issue.


by microbet P

Seems like people are addicted to outrage and they just fly off without the least bit of investigation themselves. This piece that them libruls will never allow to be broadcast has already been broadcast and this trans visibility day that them libruls intentionally put on Easter to throw it in the face of god fearing good christians had nothing at all to do with Easter.

nobody here seems upset about the easter thing. look, if you're having second thoughts about being a liberal, we can help you. it's not a lifelong malady, all you need to do is ask for help and we are here for you.


by sublime P

nobody here seems upset about the easter thing. look, if you're having second thoughts about being a liberal, we can help you. it's not a lifelong malady, all you need to do is ask for help and we are here for you.

I don't call myself a liberal, but whatever, that's too much to get into. I'm sure as hell not a conservative.

Have to disagree about no one seeming upset though.


this is what easter is all about


by rickroll P

you're not listening to me, you're arguing against strawmen I agreed do not exist

No. I’m dismissing the ridiculous conspiracy theory espoused by lozen. As I said, your silly “self censor” BS while bad and thoroughly dismissed previously in the Canada thread is at least much less bad than lozen’s conspiracy.


by sublime P

nobody here seems upset about the easter thing. look, if you're having second thoughts about being a liberal, we can help you. it's not a lifelong malady, all you need to do is ask for help and we are here for you.

Seems like a bunch of your overlords got their panties in a bunch over the issue:

Fox News panelist Lisa Boothe said recognition of the International Transgender Day of Visibility on Sunday was part of a scheme to overthrow the almighty. (Watch the video below.)

Boothe, a channel contributor who was a co-host on “The Big Weekend Show,” joined a chorus of right-wing protests to the event being celebrated, as it has been since 2009, on March 31. Only this time it happened to fall on Easter.

The show’s kick-off segment noted that Homeland Security Secretary Antony Blinken proclaimed that the U.S. “recognizes the achievements and progress that trans persons have made in the global struggle for equality” while also mentioning that NBC had posted a nod to the trans community. Then Boothe went all in on her curious theory.
“This is a clear effort and a coordinated effort to remove God from our society and to replace God with false gods and in this instance it’s the trans community,” she said. “They clearly want us to bow at the altar of the trans community instead of bow to God.”

The conservative news channel has turned up its preachiness of late. Guest host Kellyanne Conway recently accused the left of omitting “prayers” in “thoughts and prayers” and liberal white people of jogging on Sunday instead of going to church. Fox News hosts previously led viewers in a sponsored Christian prayer during a broadcast.

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by Luciom P

Wait so it's true that you get prescribed drugs with permanent horrendous effects with diagnosis entirely based on your own words with no objectivity and external verification...

The people who told you this wasn't happening will pivot to spamming empty 4 word posts to bury it, talk about media bias around the story, etc. What you don[t find is them ever condemning it. Or actually discussing it in any meaningful way. Absolutely no moral compass. If history has shown anything, an attempt to get either the post or myself removed will happen before confronting their own comrades/complicity


by hole in wan P

The people who told you this wasn't happening will pivot to spamming empty 4 word posts to bury it, talk about media bias around the story, etc. What you don[t find is them ever condemning it. Or actually discussing it in any meaningful way. Absolutely no moral compass. If history has shown anything, an attempt to get either the post or myself removed will happen before confronting their own comrades/complicity

Who said it wasn't happening? And lol, whoever you are, buddying up with a guy who calls asylum seekers "garbage people" and says they should be shot and talking about who doesn't have a moral compass.

And if history has shown anything on 2p2 it's that whiny conservatives go around reporting posts and trying to get people banned. ****, you ****ers got the whole politics forum closed not too long ago.


by microbet P

. ****, you ****ers got the whole politics forum closed not too long ago.

deep breaths.

It was closed for 1 single day and then reopened under new management. And for good reason it was infested with the absolute worst sort of group think.


by rickroll P

this is ignorant, their funding comes from the government

there may not be marching orders coming on down from a propagandist department in ottawa, but the influence is still present and you're a fool to argue otherwise


it could certainly be 100% true that the government neither dictates trans coverage to the CBC while also being 100% true that the CBC is heavily influenced and self censored because of government funding - primarily through t

Anyone with a minimal grasp of reality sees the CBC as having a left wing bias comparable to somewhere in the CNN-NBC range. The Trudeau government has been a massive boost to their funding. I forget the number but it's staggering. Their bias is undeniable. The link between Trudeaus additional funding and the coverage is speculation

Jonathan Haidt isn't the authority on the topic of social contagions or psychology either. That said, he is highly respected, credentialed, firmly on the political left, and citing established research that isn't all that controversial

Put all that together and you have a left wing news org publishing a horrific story of a child transitioning with medical support, almost zero effort in diagnosis, and zero involvement of the parents. We connect that to leaders in their field of psychology warning of social contagion (for a long time) and you begin to see the a pretty gruesome picture

Pay attention to who is trying to discredit either sources and showing zero concern about the abuse, malpractice, and harm and instead... kind of curious about any biases around the CBC or Haidt


Comrades? So another everyone is a Marxist or are you an alt account of Luciom's to support himself?


by Luckbox Inc P

deep breaths.

It was closed for 1 single day and then reopened under new management. And for good reason it was infested with the absolute worst sort of group think.

This post doesn't really make sense. You want it to both be no big deal and, at the same time, to have made a huge difference. All I noticed was a few conservatives whined relentlessly and freedom of speech got cancelled.


by hole in wan P

Anyone with a minimal grasp of reality sees the CBC as having a left wing bias comparable to somewhere in the CNN-NBC range.

This is pretty meh, but whatever at least it is one helluva downgrade from "the government will shut it down" so I'll take it.


by Luckbox Inc P

deep breaths.

It was closed for 1 single day and then reopened under new management. And for good reason it was infested with the absolute worst sort of group think.

Research shows that people with personalities that fall in the the extremes also have politics that fall in to the extremes. They also have higher instances of mental health issues

As you can see, our local communist just had a little meltdown and equated my single quoting of a poster to "buddying up with a mass murder supporter" or whatever attack they could loosely tie together in in some unhinged way

And if history has shown anything, I'm the problem, according to those in charge


Can we fast forward to the part where you just let us know which of the right wing banned accounts you are?


by hole in wan P

Research shows that people with personalities that fall in the the extremes also have politics that fall in to the extremes. They also have higher instances of mental health issues

As you can see, our local communist just had a little meltdown and equated my single quoting of a poster to "buddying up with a mass murder supporter" or whatever attack they could loosely tie together in in some unhinged way

And if history has shown anything, I'm

I'm not a communist either.

What's your regular account?


by hole in wan P

Research shows that people with personalities that fall in the the extremes also have politics that fall in to the extremes. They also have higher instances of mental health issues

As you can see, our local communist just had a little meltdown and equated my single quoting of a poster to "buddying up with a mass murder supporter" or whatever attack they could loosely tie together in in some unhinged way

And if history has shown anything, I'm

Also, when you use quotation marks, it should be an actual quote.

and as for the second bolded part there, my pronouns are he/him. thanks.


by hole in wan P

The people who told you this wasn't happening will pivot to spamming empty 4 word posts to bury it, talk about media bias around the story, etc. What you don[t find is them ever condemning it. Or actually discussing it in any meaningful way. Absolutely no moral compass. If history has shown anything, an attempt to get either the post or myself removed will happen before confronting their own comrades/complicity

Let's re-read the post you were responding to. Amazing

by jjjou812 P

Comrades? So another everyone is a Marxist or are you an alt account of Luciom's to support himself?

com·rade
/ˈkämˌrad,ˈkämrəd/
noun
plural noun: comrades
a companion who shares one's activities or is a fellow member of an organization.
"an old college comrade"
Similar:
companion
friend
colleague
associate
partner
coworker
fellow worker
workmate
fellow soldier
compatriot
confederate
ally
confrère
pal
buddy
crony
mate
chum
oppo
bro
compeer
consociate
a fellow soldier or member of the armed services.
noun: comrade-in-arms; plural noun: comrades-in-arms
"Hewett turned and rushed to help his comrade"
a fellow socialist or communist (often as a form of address).
"“You're right, comrade”"


A child walks in to a clinic and what happened? Experts in the related field have been pounding the drum of social contagion for years now. You want to talk about the use of "comrade". Didn't see this coming and predict it in the post you were responding to or anything....


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