Israel/Palestine thread
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Almost 20% of IDF causalities have been friendly fire. We're really talking about a significant percent of the total.
Are you suggesting the IDF is killing their own maliciously and for revenge?
Or is urban warfare a heck of a lot more complicated than you think?
The IDF pilot controlling the drone that attacked the aid workers would have been able to see the clear roof markings on the vehicles. Drone optics and sighting systems are quite sufficient for that. They have to be. The attack was therefore almost certainly deliberate and, from the Israeli point of view, it achieved its object -- a ship carrying hundreds of tons of food aid has had to turn back to Larnaca in Cyprus because the Israelis will basically kill anyone trying to supply aid. The only question, really, is whether the IDF are acting on orders from the top or whether they're carrying out these actions on their own initiative for the hell of it, as we have often seen when IDF snipers on the Gaza border have killed both adults and children just for sport. The idea of discipline is somewhat foreign to the IDF, because they all know that all their actions will always be excused in line with the country's ideology.
The IDF pilot controlling the drone that attacked the aid workers would have been able to see the clear roof markings on the vehicles. Drone optics and sighting systems are quite sufficient for that. They have to be. The attack was therefore almost certainly deliberate and, from the Israeli point of view, it achieved its object -- a ship carrying hundreds of tons of food aid has had to turn back to Larnaca in Cyprus because the Israelis wil
Yes It was deliberate, but with the detail of the lack of knowledge the Hamas guy had left before.
The order is to bomb everywhere they think there are Hamas people without ever taking human shields as an excuse not to hit, otherwise Hamas just always takes around some kids or whatever and becomes untouchable (as they thought they were until recently).
Given the order is known and the IDF has shown no fear of executing it, every collateral damage is on Hamas, they should simply stop mixing with non Hamas people in all circumstances.
If they don't, non Hamas people die as well, and it's more blood on Hamas.
You disagree because you know that above works to eradicate hamas
Top four reasons the IDF turned back aid trucks:
4. Sleeping bags were militaristic green in color.
3. First aid kits included dual use scissors.
2. Lentils were poorly packaged.
1. Dates contained pits.
This is intentional starvation.
Top four reasons the IDF turned back aid trucks:
4. Sleeping bags were militaristic green in color.
3. First aid kits included dual use scissors.
2. Lentils were poorly packaged.
1. Dates contained pits.
This is intentional starvation.
ADL just added this post to the antisemitic acts of 2024 list.
Btw there have been at least 5 examples in this war of the IDF tricking Hamas into a huge mistake with misinformation and outflanking.
Do we not think it possible that Hamas sometimes is going to do the same?
The IDF hit one vehicle first (not 3 at once). Progressively the occupants of each vehicle merge into the final one. If the IDF think a super high priority target is one of the 2 occupants in the first vehicle they hit, based on either bad intel, or deliberate misinformation, isn't this exactly the outcome?
There are ample scenarios that make more sense than the one to sinisterly kill aid workers to starve people. I would submit to you that they have much "better" ways to do that if they wanted to.
Hamas and co have been using ambulances and aid vehicles forever to move around Gaza. Once that becomes the method of moving high value operatives or gear inside Gaza efficiently (where tunnels cannot), this becomes one of the possible outcomes. I'm not saying I feel it's certain. But I think it's certainly plausible. Feed the IDF stories of weapons being moved at X o'clock with a high value bomb maker, and then who knows how many times they bite. Just an example. We're back to the philosophical debates on 5-7 lives vs whatever lives you save from preventing that attack (if you believe it to be for one). Impossible war questions.
Meanwhile some people are complaining about posters being torn down.
Btw there have been at least 5 examples in this war of the IDF tricking Hamas into a huge mistake with misinformation and outflanking.
Do we not think it possible that Hamas sometimes is going to do the same?
The IDF hit one vehicle first (not 3 at once). Progressively the occupants of each vehicle merge into the final one. If the IDF think a super high priority target is one of the 2 occupants in the first vehicle they hit, based on either
they havent named the guy who they claim was in the convoy. were they able to identify him at the time? they had no visual evidence he was convoy anyway. I know this bc he wasnt actually in the convoy when they bombed it.
you are running cover for the murder of these people bc you have been brainwashed with Supremacy and hate from birth.
There are ample scenarios that make more sense than the one to sinisterly kill aid workers to starve people. I would submit to you that they have much "better" ways to do that if they wanted to.
The high number of UNRWA casualties suggests targeting of aid workers.
The ridiculous excuses for turning back aid trucks shows intentional starvation -- if the trickle getting through isn't enough for you.
IDF clearly has wide rules of engagement, allowing soldiers to include aid workers as their targets.
These aren't speculation, like the fanciful stories you float for why the same aid mission was hit three times.
The high number of UNRWA casualties suggests targeting of aid workers.
The ridiculous excuses for turning back aid trucks shows intentional starvation -- if the trickle getting through isn't enough for you.
IDF clearly has wide rules of engagement, allowing soldiers to include aid workers as their targets.
These aren't speculation, like the fanciful stories you float for why the same aid mission was hit three times.
20% of the IDF casualties are friendly fire.
Does the high number of IDF casualties from friendly fire suggest Israel is targeting their own?
they havent named the guy who they claim was in the convoy. were they able to identify him at the time? they had no visual evidence he was convoy anyway. I know this bc he wasnt actually in the convoy when they bombed it.
you are running cover for the murder of these people bc you have been brainwashed with Supremacy and hate from birth.
Show your work?
guys guys, we had visual confirmation that Sinwar and Hitler's reincarnated super ghost was in the car at some point in time in the last 6 months. if we didnt take the shot then Hamas wins.
I don't entirely get scared. But incompetent lines up with exactly why you'd end up with dead aid workers in some spots. Incompetent, imprecise, working off bad intel, miscalculations, all the stuff that gets people killed in a tight fit in a place like Gaza.
So we agree.
Do I think there are other circumstances? Sure.
I don't entirely get scared. But incompetent lines up with exactly why you'd end up with dead aid workers in some spots. Incompetent, imprecise, working off bad intel, miscalculations, all the stuff that gets people killed in a tight fit in a place like Gaza.
So we agree.
Do I think there are other circumstances? Sure.
Do you think the point blank execution of doctors in Al Shifa was incompetence, miscalculation or what?
Do you think the point blank execution of doctors in Al Shifa was incompetence, miscalculation or what?
I imagine we'll see the entire hospital incident play out in court for years after. If there were 700+ Hamas operatives there, it's going to make for a very complicated case. I know very little about the individual deaths.
Do you think the point blank execution of doctors in Al Shifa was incompetence, miscalculation or what?
these people think that everyone killed at Al Shifa was a scary Hamas guy. and that no doctors were killed except the ones who doubled as Hamas snipers or something.
or that Hamas killed them to make Israel look bad.
Were there any IDF casualties in the recent Al Shifa seige? Seems relevant to whether it was full of Hamas or not.
Were there any IDF casualties in the recent Al Shifa seige? Seems relevant to whether it was full of Hamas or not.
yes, there were a lot. thats possibly why they left.
the Resistance decided to defend the hospital as best they could this time as opposed to the other Israeli hospital massacres. one thing to realize is that Hamas follows the IDF wherever it goes and makes guerilla attacks. they put substantial effort into this particular fight.
We're never going to know how many hostages were killed by Israel.
