Israel/Palestine thread
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Shifa especially is a rediculous claim bc I am old enough to remember the first time they went in and found no command center or anything.
but even if they did find whatever, is the claim that Hamas just went back to Shifa and started up again?
like, try to actually have a consistent narrative. now you guys are just looking pathetic.
vic in here telling us that the IDF have been driven out of that hospital by hamas, and also that hamas arent in the hospital
how would I know? presumably underground.
anyway, kinda big news came out a few hours from both Hebrew and pro-Palestine media that Israel withdrew all but one brigade which is guarding their new bisecting road.
both sides are claiming victory, defeat, feint, Rafah, Lebanon, Iran. so it seems something is about to happen.
Yes they withdrew from southern Gaza
This is a guess, but probably the latter. They've acknowledged that Hamas uses hospitals before.
The WHO's main concern now is the famine, and having hospitals out of service to deal with that is obviously bad.
Israel has the capacity to build and defend field hospitals and food distribution centers.
They absolutely should.
how would I know? presumably underground.
anyway, kinda big news came out a few hours from both Hebrew and pro-Palestine media that Israel withdrew all but one brigade which is guarding their new bisecting road.
both sides are claiming victory, defeat, feint, Rafah, Lebanon, Iran. so it seems something is about to happen.
Gaza destroyed, but Hamas still ostensibly in charge of all 2 million people still living there (with almost no refugees being relocated to relieve the pressure), seems like a worst case scenario for the Palestinians. No one will be in any hurry to help rebuild with those nihilistic psychos still around.
If one were inclined to conspiracy theories, I think you could make a case this was the Israeli plan all along. Like I said, really seems like a worst case scenario for the people themselves, although I guess the "Palestinian movement" can claim a pyrrhic victory, because the militants are still running the ship, with the capacity to fire the occasional rocket at Israel while chanting how great God is for putting them in this spot.
Iran possibly entering the fray
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-to-ret...
Israel and the U.S. are convinced Iran is preparing to retaliate for the Israeli strike on an Iranian consulate in Syria, U.S. officials say.
Israel on Monday struck an Iranian consulate in Damascus, Syria, and killed a number of senior leaders of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, according to the Pentagon.
The U.S. has picked up intelligence that Iran is planning a retaliatory attack that would include a swarm of Shahed loitering drones and cruise missiles. Officials say the timing and target are unknown, but a proportional response to the Damascus attack would be to hit an Israeli diplomatic facility. The attack is likely to come between now and the end of Ramadan next week.
Gaza destroyed, but Hamas still ostensibly in charge of all 2 million people still living there (with almost no refugees being relocated to relieve the pressure), seems like a worst case scenario for the Palestinians. No one will be in any hurry to help rebuild with those nihilistic psychos still around.
If one were inclined to conspiracy theories, I think you could make a case this was the Israeli plan all along. Like I said, really se
yes that was the plan all along. Israel's plan was to do genocide. since 1948. or proly since like 1880 or whatever.
Iran possibly entering the fray
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-to-ret...
Iran's entire natural resource export economy runs though one port city that Israel or the US could easily dismantle with a few bombs anytime they chose. Iran's entire strategy involves trying to achieve its foreign policy objectives (mainly destabilizing the Middle East though support of disruptive actors like Hamas, Houthis and Assad) while not bringing things to a point their entire economy is brought down.
Which is why it is believed they will act "proportionately" so things dont escalate. Like with their response against the US when their general was killed, they may even tip off Israel/US whatever they are planning to minimize escalation.
That being said, Iran has been EXTREMELY aggressive selling as much natural resources as it can for the last couple years, indicating they may be trying to sell as much now in contingency for a future when they lose the ability to.
Gaza destroyed, but Hamas still ostensibly in charge of all 2 million people still living there (with almost no refugees being relocated to relieve the pressure), seems like a worst case scenario for the Palestinians. No one will be in any hurry to help rebuild with those nihilistic psychos still around.
If one were inclined to conspiracy theories, I think you could make a case this was the Israeli plan all along. Like I said, really se
Dunno if it's the plan but it would be a disaster for israel as well
It's like you guys live in a different reality that is completely separate from facts. Israel is not going to set up hospitals and aid distribution. The whole point of heir operation was to destroy those 2 things.
They should but it's unlikely.
Pretty sure WHO was hoping for both that and the use of local hospitals.
Israel should do what it can to ameliorate the humanitarian crisis that is unavoidable in the removal of Hamas.
It dramatically increases the probability of successful removal of Hamas if nothing else.
But Bibi is a hateful bastard pandering to his right wing cronies, some of whom actually do want to completely remove Muslims from Israel.
Israel should do what it can to ameliorate the humanitarian crisis that is unavoidable in the removal of Hamas.
It dramatically increases the probability of successful removal of Hamas if nothing else.
But Bibi is a hateful bastard pandering to his right wing cronies, some of whom actually do want to completely remove Muslims from Israel.
its just a different reality. and the sad thing is absolute refusal to let actual reality inform your analysis.
Strongly agree.
we got people losing limbs from tight handcuffs. we got doctors being executed.
this guy got lucky.
and liberals are like, ya all we need to do is get rid of Bibi. make it make sense. at least Lucium and Rivaldo are consistent and living in reality for the most part in their support of genocide. I cant understand the willful blindness required to parrot the position of the liberal elite.
I wouldn't confuse blaming netanyahu with thinking it will all be ok once he is gone.
Netanyhu going is necessary but not remotely sufficient.
they dismantled the aid apparatus and blocked 10000s of trucks and libs are like, hmmm Israel just needs to let some aid in. just a complete mystery as to why people are starving and not just all of the hospitals are shut down, but just about any medical facility is gone.
but right, Im sure Israel will get right on bringing medical aid to Gazans who are meanwhile resorting to pop up temporary temp clinics to help the neighborhood. and to be clear, they are temporary bc Israel will dismantle and bomb the clinics when they become aware.
That pic looks fake
could be. they usually just execute doctors and nurses and paramedics.
