Israel/Palestine thread
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Yes I can read, such as your attempts to pour water over one (non Western quelle surprise) power's funding of terrorism by asserting it's "massively overstated," and your condemnation of a western power's funding of those who are aggressively invaded.
And I'm not interested in your "you lack reading comprehension!!" schtick either as that bullshit got stale circa 2021.
You're simply an apologist for despots and scummy regimes due to your evi
How do you feel about America’s despots and our scummy regimes?
ok but the fact remains, the West provides Ukraine with a lot more weaponry than Iran provides Hamas. and Hamas is mostly using natively built weapons at the moment.
Im sorry that upsets you so much. but facts dont care about your feelings.
If they can build weapons and ammos it means too much stuff enters with the truck, contra what you have been claiming for months.
Yet again, you want to claim two opposite narratives at the same time.
Stick with ONE Pallywod plot, otherwise you mess up!
If they can build weapons and ammos it means too much stuff enters with the truck, contra what you have been claiming for months.
Yet again, you want to claim two opposite narratives at the same time.
Stick with ONE Pallywod plot, otherwise you mess up!
you think that resources to build weapons have been arriving by truck the last few months?
you think they are building a lot of weaponry right now?
do you understand how time works?
you think that resources to build weapons have been arriving by truck the last few months?
you think they are building a lot of weaponry right now?
do you understand how time works?
Ah so you admit they have stolen aid for years to stock weapons and ammos.
So Israel mistake was to let trucks in before, I agree.
Israel should have done what is doing now the day after Hamas shot the first rocket to Israel.
No half measures with terrorists
Iran's role with Hamas is not overstated. Blindly comparing the type of military aid provided without looking at what they're used for is meaningless. Iran plays a far bigger role in Hamas; the important things to consider have already been stated.
I have no idea what is important about the year 2048 or how Palestine ceasing to exist then would make me wrong.
Ah so you admit they have stolen aid for years to stock weapons and ammos.
So Israel mistake was to let trucks in before, I agree.
Israel should have done what is doing now the day after Hamas shot the first rocket to Israel.
No half measures with terrorists
I dont know how they got the material to build the weaponry. I would guess almost all of it was smuggled in. I dont think Israel is allowing that kind of stuff in from trucks. they arent building Yassin's with food and medicine.
Iran's role with Hamas is not overstated. Blindly comparing the type of military aid provided without looking at what they're used for is meaningless. Iran plays a far bigger role in Hamas; the important things to consider have already been stated.
I have no idea what is important about the year 2048 or how Palestine ceasing to exist then would make me wrong.
would love to see some facts supporting this.
Ukraine is a far more conventional war vs asymmetrical in Gaza.
The scale of the war in Ukraine is far larger.
Ukraine vs Russia is state vs state.
The frontline in Ukraine is 1000 km with many active battles happening at a time.
the prevailing liberal consensus is that Hamas is doing Iran's bidding and is almost entirely armed by them.
I feel that is overstated to the point of it being simply fake new. I think Hamas is using mostly natively built weapons and is acting on their own agency.
ok but the fact remains, the West provides Ukraine with a lot more weaponry than Iran provides Hamas. and Hamas is mostly using natively built weapons at the moment.
Im sorry that upsets you so much. but facts dont care about your feelings.
The fact remains you're a hypocrite as you essentially excuse funding for Hamas while decry western funding of a sovereign nation.
Never has existed. The next time will be the first.
I have no theoretical objection towards a 2 state solution and the creation of a Palestinian state for the first time in history. But I think the Palestinian populace as currently constituted is completely incapable of functional self rule. Something all the "2 state solution" proponents kind of just brush over because it isn't convenient.
I do not know what "prevailing liberal consensus" is, although I doubt that it is. Hamas receives substantial aid, particularly from Iran:
https://www.economist.com/finance-and-ec...
A much larger income stream, though, comes from abroad. Israeli officials reckon this amounts to around $750m per year, making it the main source of funding for Hamas’s current stockpile of arms and fuel. Some of the money comes from friendly governments, the biggest of which is Iran. America reckons that the ayatollahs provide $100m a year to Palestinian Islamist groups, mainly in military aid. The task for Hamas’s financiers is to move this money around without falling prey to America’s sanctions. In the past month alone, American officials have imposed three rounds of restrictions on people and companies for funding Hamas.
As stated previously, I do not believe that Hamas directly does Iran's bidding, in fact I ran does NOT want to be ordering Hamas around. That does not mean that Hamas does not understand that Iran's substantial aid is for them to continue fighting Israel.
750m a year is practically nothing.
and if Iran stopped sending aid and money, the Resistance would still fight. and if Iran told them to cut it out, they would still fight even if it meant losing aid.
What do you think Hamas's yearly budget is?
750m a year is practically nothing.
and if Iran stopped sending aid and money, the Resistance would still fight. and if Iran told them to cut it out, they would still fight even if it meant losing aid.
$1 billion from one country is a ton of money. Your brain is not able to understand how much money that is. It’s very cheap to give someone an AK47 and the tools to make explosives. That’s all they need. It is not like traditional armies where they have lots of fixed overhead and gear they give each military person
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I believe 750 million is from all abroad donations, of which Iran is responsible for 100 million, mainly in the form of military equipment.
750m a year is practically nothing.
and if Iran stopped sending aid and money, the Resistance would still fight. and if Iran told them to cut it out, they would still fight even if it meant losing aid.
I think thats true but I can't fathom that it has anything to do with the occupation. Iran has to know as well as the Palestinians their fighting isnt reducing any chance of Irael ending the occupation or securing safety in the area. Religious hatred has made people think and so wicked **** for centuries. Iran's funding isn't to get an ending to the occupation.
750m total in aid. thats not all going to military.
I think thats true but I can't fathom that it has anything to do with the occupation. Iran has to know as well as the Palestinians their fighting is reducing any chance of Irael ending the occupation or securing safety in the area. Religious hatred has made people think and so wicked **** for centuries.
has there ever been a colonial occupation that was not ended by armed resistance?
if they stop fighting then they just become slaves.
Hamas's yearly budget is believed to be something like 200 million to 500 million. As you said, not all of that goes to military, in fact probably almost none does. What does go towards military aid is the 100 million that Iran sends "mainly in military aid." That is going to be the vast majority of their military capability.
For comparison, we have been discussing how important USA aid is to Israel. They give approximately $3.8 billion (keep in mind Hamas is by far the weakest of their enemies), which is less than 1% of Israel's GDP, and less than 5% of their budget. That is enough for some ITT to claim Israel is reliant on USA, or even their proxy.
I do not know what sources Tankie Twitter is passing around, but I doubt even they are trying to claim that Hamas is able to produce hundreds of millions of dollars worth of arms a year.
Hamas's yearly budget is believed to be something like 200 million to 500 million. As you said, not all of that goes to military, in fact probably almost none does. What does go towards military aid is the 100 million that Iran sends "mainly in military aid." That is going to be the vast majority of their military capability.
For comparison, we have been discussing how important USA aid is to Israel. They give approximately $3.8 billion (ke
apples meet oranges
has there ever been a colonial occupation that was not ended by armed resistance?
if they stop fighting then they just become slaves.
They are basically slaves now. Israel obviously doesn't want anything to do with them but neither does anyone else. Israel would love to push them down into Egypt or Jordan but both those countries have told them to **** off.
I think Iran is continuing to purposefully fuel the fan flaming - while of course not wanting to bring them in themselves, to maintain instability in the hopes that it affects israel but that military instability in Gaza has caused them to become completely cut off from everyone.
Egypt should let them in and ship them to Iran with Abdel telling Ebrahim to go **** himself.
750m a year is practically nothing.
and if Iran stopped sending aid and money, the Resistance would still fight. and if Iran told them to cut it out, they would still fight even if it meant losing aid.
That's why when the USA stopped it's 150m/year UNRWA contributions palestinians (and you) couldn't care less right, because that's 1/5 of practically nothing?
no that was act of genocide ofc
