Israel/Palestine thread
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AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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odds are Israel killed her.
but I should have been more clear that I meant Jews or whites visiting Gaza have never been killed in Gaza while visiting by Hamas.
Your argument was anecdotal. Why would Iran murder me? Or anyone? Or any Jew?
It's based on racism and Orientalism that is driven by Western media and Zionist Hasbara. I am in no danger in Iran and neither are you.
I did not say you would be in danger in Iran or that Iranians would kill you as an individual. I said Iran, the state, views you as en enemy statistic. You are not in some sort of woke allegiance with Iran, or if you are it is definitely a one way relationship.
As far as Hamas goes, you are an oppressor. You cannot change that via individual ideals. You are a piece of the structure that drops 2000 pound bombs on their 20 pound children.
Yeah McMansions for all, or Kibbutzim
rekt
Maybe Israel is more cosmopolitan now, with greater quality of life or something.
And now is probably not a good time, but before Oct 7th Jews could travel in the Palestinian WB - American or other non-Israeli Jews, no Israeli passport.
If your name was Ari Cohen you could travel in the WB as long as you didn't have an Israeli passport, or was it a matter of if your name was gentile enough they didn't ask too many questions about your genealogy? There is a difference.
In quieter times my wife was traveling through Jordan/Syria and the group she was with actually went into Jerusalem and her group (clearly all Americans) had to pay basically a bribe not to get an Israeli stamp on their passports, as that could raise some issues when she went back to Jordan.
hmmm. peculiar
cnn claims it has evidence that at least 33 are dead so that leaves 96
how many of those are with islamic jihad? how many are dead? how many are missing?
again those that want a ceasefire -- israel should ceasefire without hostages?
In short, yes. Most of the "ceasefire" crowd believes Israel should not only should ceasefire without hostages, they should ceasefire unilaterally, and just suck it up if the Palestinians continue to attack them in whatever capacity they can. They thought this on October 8th before Israel had done a thing, and still think it now.
There is zero condemnation or calls for ceasefire for Hamas by the antisemitic left/right/Muslim world; because they dont think Hamas did anything wrong.
Most of the "ceasefire" crowd are just pro Hamas. It really is that simple.
Islamic Jihad doesn't want to sell their hostages?
There is no way there isn't 40 hostages left. My bet is Hamas just can't allow some of them to be released so they are either keeping or killing them.
Why? And most of us would argue if Hamas is killing the hostages, they dead ones would fall out of the "left" category.
cnn claims it has evidence that at least 33 are dead so that leaves 96
how many of those are with islamic jihad? how many are dead? how many are missing?
again those that want a ceasefire -- israel should ceasefire without hostages?
and even Biden, who has been super critical lately, not only was expecting 40 hostages but that was only phase 1. there are supposed to be 2 more phases to the ceasefire
if they cannot even find 40 for phase 1,
Of course. Inflicting such horror on so many was not a valid reponse to hostage taking in the first place
The hostages also need to be released. With or without a ceasefire.
The part of his post you omitted is the real doozy.
Gaza isn't in ruins over 100 hostages alone
None of which makes israels response anything but monstrous and stupid
Israel just murdered the family of one of the big Hamas guys in Qatar. according to this thread, he is happy about that.
According to his own statement he is happy. He thanked Allah that his children (who were themselves adult members of Hamas) died as Shahidim. It aint 1948, and Hamas isn't part of the original pro-Nazi secular Arab nationalist movement you and Bill Haywood are so fond of. These are Islamists fighting a Holy War against Jews.
In their minds the righteousness of their fight is no different from when their patriarch, the greatest most perfect man to ever live; genocided, enslaved and raped Jews because Allah told him to.
This would still make the Arab Muslim:Jew ratio of monstrous acts something like 1,000:1. Like most liberals, you live in this bizarre counter reality where the 1300 years straight of Muslims persecuting Jews (with promises of many more atrocities to follow) in this part of the world never happened, and Israel has absolutely no basis for their cynical approach towards the intentions of their neighbors.
It could never make stupid monstrous actions a good idea
There's been a consistent trend ITT of both sides trying to justify their side's monstrous actions by painting the other side as awfully as possible, while completely overlooking their side's awful behavior.
Israel is a racist apartheid state engaging in an indiscriminate campaign which is potentially genocide.
Palestine is full of Islamofascists who would genocide Jews if they could and absolutely performed an awful terrorist attack on October 7th.
Both sides lie habitually and are completely dishonest about their own actions and the other's actions.
They both deserve to to exist, and exist free from the psychopaths on the other side.
Never gonna happen. The point to which things have escalated, no lasting transformation is possible. Islamists aren't about peace with anyone but the devotees of their sect. See this example from a few years back in Libya.
No Saddam, what happens? no Gaddafi, what happened?... a new Arab Spring? wtf that is
Jews aren't at war anywhere but in the midst of these religiously warped barbarians, atavisms of the dark ages.
In their minds the righteousness of their fight is no different from when their patriarch, the greatest most perfect man to ever live; genocided, enslaved and raped Jews because Allah told him to.
Could you give some source to what you are saying? The God ordering to rape jews is just LMAO. isn't this just lie-based propaganda?
Victors of the world, unite!
https://twitter.com/amnesty/status/17773...
In which amnesty defends the memory of one of the worst palestinian terrorist in history
These people have no bottom.
My problem right now is why we don't start treating western allies of hamas as domestic enemies
Which part of the bolded are you saying "nope" to?
Victors of the world, unite!
https://twitter.com/amnesty/status/17773...
In which amnesty defends the memory of one of the worst palestinian terrorist in history
These people have no bottom.
My problem right now is why we don't start treating western allies of hamas as domestic enemies
how is that guy close to one of the worst?
