Israel/Palestine thread
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Lol we dont have to use religion as bait to mock the other team. What israel and hamas has both done already puta them in the bottom teir of human existance. Its a war of the worsts
Lol we dont have to use religion as bait to mock the other team. What israel and hamas has both done already puta them in the bottom teir of human existance. Its a war of the worsts
What have Palestinians done that’s so bad and why’s it so bad
I don’t even think they are middle of the pack as far as atrocities
Lol the antisemite bombs and flattening hospitals being a legit military operation.
You're a f*cking clown, 5 south. Congrats
Originally Posted by formula72
What israel and hamas has both done already puta them in the bottom teir of human existance. Its a war of the worsts
What have Palestinians done that’s so bad and why’s it so bad
I don’t even think they are middle of the pack as far as atrocities
Yeah. You have a very poor understanding of human existence if you really think this is true. Most of human existence has been more similar to Mongol type atrocities, which is much worse than anything going on today.
Even by Islamist standards the Palestinians aren't that extraordinary. You should read what the big M and his Islamist followers were doing 1300 years ago. I gave just one excerpt via Wikipedia not too long ago in this thread, and even that excerpt was pretty sanitized compared to reality; and it was still much worse than anything Israel or the Palestinians are doing.
And the Israeli's for their part, their biggest sin has been not being forceful enough a long time ago, allowing the situation to fester. Although in their defense once they tied themselves to the US, we didn't give them a lot of options. Stopping the Palestinians from their nihilistic, generational Jihad payed for by courtesy of Western tax dollars would have interfered with more important projects of Pax Americana.
Where the Palestinians are unique I think it is fair to say is in their suicidal, nihilistic culture. Most rationale peoples would have shown much more pragmatism, and have made peace and moved on a long time ago, and been in a much better place.
a lot of Palestinians (an abundant majority) moved away in 1946-1948, then the best and the brightest moved away every generation, the population left there is extremely young + those who refused multiple times in their lives to ever leave even with multiple options better than those of basically any other citizen of a poor third world country.
it's not unique for such a self selected group of people (a ton of fully brainwashed 16-25y old, and a bunch of older people who truly consider than land holy to them) to appear suicidal or simply more eager to pay a higher price than usual to try to achieve their dream (from the land to the sea).
most of the people who don't share their commitment to sacrifice left already
you think Palestinians can just leave?
Victor, what I’m reading is a description of armed civilians, some with former military experience, in gated communes. It’d be a stretch even to call it a fort, much less a military installation. These are peoples homes they defend with volunteer communal militias. See above ^
Constant equivocation. In the event things are reversed, the most meaningless details become absolutely enormous and insurmountable; words are completely meaningless. It is truly Orwellian.
Well, obviously not at this exact moment (unless they are rich and can pay the exorbitant fees to be smuggled into Egypt). But if UNRWA had been dismantled, and they had been treated like normal refugees most of them would have been resettled in the last 80 years and be much better off for it. But of course that was against their nihilistic wishes to stay and conquer Israel.
I think for decades they had easier time leaving and reaching first world countries than basically anyone else from third world country did (with some exceptions for ex-colonies and their direct previous colonizer country, in some moments in time).
which is why the Palestinian "diaspora" is one of the biggest in the world as a % of Palestinians left in actual palestine.
there are as many Palestinians around the world as there are in Gaza, west bank, and surrounding areas.
Maybe the Irish at some point had a similar situation historically, I can't think of anyone else
a lot of Palestinians (an abundant majority) moved away in 1946-1948, then the best and the brightest moved away every generation, the population left there is extremely young + those who refused multiple times in their lives to ever leave even with multiple options better than those of basically any other citizen of a poor third world country.
it's not unique for such a self selected group of people (a ton of fully brainwashed 16-25y old,
Yes, I think brain drain (and perhaps most importantly rationality drain) is a part of the puzzle of the Middle East specifically being unable to meet the challenges of modernity. In reality, the actually long lasting effects of colonialism have probably been way overstated; but the effects of the best and brightest immigrating to the West may be very under-appreciated.
For their part, Hamas actually realizes this; which is why they decided the surviving Jews that actually make **** work would have to stay as slaves when Israel is reconquered.
lol brain drain. the brain drain is from the Israelis killing all the doctors and educators.
the Yassin rocket is pretty good proof of how smart and talented they are.
Constant equivocation. In the event things are reversed, the most meaningless details become absolutely enormous and insurmountable; words are completely meaningless. It is truly Orwellian.
Where did those homes come from? Oh right, Palestinians who had to leave cause the settlers pointed guns at them. Guns the IDF gave them. According to Geneva convention that makes them fair game
Or you guys think it’s not war to take someone’s house with a gun and the backing of a foreign hostile govt ?
Please look up what we're talking about, maybe post some pics, and then explain how they are military outposts.
You missed my question asking you to clarify your "civilian buffer zone" comment.
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/12/120528460...
gotta spoon feed this guy everything. its quite pathetic.
1930s-1940s
Some
And absolutely nothing about these being military outposts.
What is a military outpost?
I posted the economist article and went to the trouble to even screenshot and highlight the pertinent posts.
I cant do everything for you. I just cant.
What have Palestinians done that’s so bad and why’s it so bad
I don’t even think they are middle of the pack as far as atrocities
I said hamas not Palestine, should of clarified idf over israel i guess. I can sympathize with the Palestinians disgust but i think they had legitimate outs at creating their state. I could be wrong but at this moment, i dont think i am.
At the very best case, hamas just happens to be the dumbest muther****ers at decision making that pinned Palestinians into a shoebox in a corner to die. But i don't buy that theory right now. Outsiders prayed on a vulnerable group for fiat that permanently destroyed the folks who had no choice of being born there.
from your article:
At their heart, kibbutzim are small towns — typically with somewhere between 100 and 1,000 residents — historically centered around collective farms. In recent decades, some have come to thrive on modern industry and tourism.
I'm trying to think of similar military outposts which thrive on industry and tourism.
Central to the kibbutz are roots in socialist and Marxist ideas about collective living. Early kibbutzim were exercises in radical democracy, said David Leach, author of the book Chasing Utopia: The Future of the Kibbutz in a Divided Israel.
This doesn't not sound like an official IDF stance to me.
"It's this picturesque village in the countryside, with small apartments surrounded by these lush green walking paths, swimming pool, cultural centers, the dining hall," he said. "It's typically — ironically — an incredibly peaceful and safe place."
Once again not how I'd usually imagine a military outpost.
One of the missing residents was Vivian Silver, 74, a woman who had spent her retirement pursuing peace in the region, her son Yonatan Zeigen told NPR.
"She would drive sick Palestinians from Gaza to Israeli hospitals. So apart from being a wonderful mother and grandmother, that was her essence," Zeigen said.
I'm guessing this is not typical behavior at an IDF military outpost.
well I consider gated communities with armories in forward positions full of soldiers and security to be a military outpost. you can call it something else I guess. esp on stolen land meant to keep out the previous residents.
OK, thanks for answering. So to you a military outpost is a "gated communities with armories in forward positions on stolen land full of soldiers and security "
Going through the wikipedia of the individual massacres, I don't see much mention of soldiers. Maybe you mean anyone who ever was a soldier, or the volunteer security forces.
Here is the wikipedia definition of military outpost:
A military outpost is detachment of troops stationed at a distance from the main force or formation, usually at a station in a remote or sparsely populated location, positioned to stand guard against unauthorized intrusions and surprise attacks, serving as the first line of defense.
These two definitions seem pretty far off to me. Especially the "detachment of troops" part. Once again, this is beside the point and the massacring of civilians at the concert is already enough to qualify this as a terrorist attack.
