Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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Myrna, if "hit on your own soil" was reason enough to attack someone, Southern Lebanon and Gaza would have been flattened a while back. This is the thing people don't realize about Israel because they've never lived there. You get 12-14 seconds to run to your bomb shelter in Israel, and you do it many times per week with your toddler depending on your address. Imagine the USA tolerating that with kids in say Texas? Just never happen. They'd
and yet you still think this was a legit attack instead of a way for Iran to save face. you think they send drones from 1000 miles away and with warning ?
you are a warmonger imo still. you thought the same thing of Iraq .
it's not the first time this has happened
Good lord Vic needs his attention, doesn't he.
they dont meet my standards for being a decent human if they are supporting the current genocide and engaging in it. nothing about being a good or bad Jew which I ofc dont care about.
Yet actions were not enough to sway your opinion on whether or not someone is supporting and engaging in the current genocide since you are so prejudiced against them, as you mentioned:
When it was brought to your attention that when she was a 'Zionist' the word did not mean what it means today, you still stuck with your prejudice.
(They were killed in the terrorist attack that started this recent chain of events off btw so they're definitely not currently engaging in genocide, or supporting it.)
I find the comparison apt. so did Masha Gessen. and many others, including many Jews.
As usual, this is answering a question which wasn't asked. Here are some examples of your rhetoric:
I have no problem equating the people who support this as modern day Nazis. At some point in time, hopefully sooner rather than later, the star of David will have the same connotation as the swastika.
Why would I care? I just hope Israel doesn't go all Hitler on the rest of the ME. Something you guys are certainly engorged thinking about.
Here is the writing you chose from Masha Gessen:
Do you truly not see any difference in what you are doing and what she is defending?
we got a bunch of people in here cheering on a genocide and absolutely giddy about the prospect of Israel attacking 3 other countries. and celebrating the murder of children and paramedics in Lebanon. and celebrating an embassy bombing that killed a bunch of innocent people.
you dont like my comparisons? noted. dont care.
We got a guy who loves genocide, and is super upset that the people he wants killed aren’t being genocided. Since those people are fighting a war against those who (like genocide vic) want to genocide them—he constantly calls them genocidal in a twisted way to justify his own genocidal thirst.
That, combined with his nonstop lies (no one in here wants Israel to be in a war) make genocide vic the person he is.
and yet you still think this was a legit attack instead of a way for Iran to save face. you think they send drones from 1000 miles away and with warning ?
you are a warmonger imo still. you thought the same thing of Iraq .
Sorry, what leads you to this judgement?
Me telling you what I suspect the Israelis will do? You do understand I'm not the Israeli war cabinet, right?
I said I think this is the front where we likely see the most urgent deployment (and hours later):
https://www.timesofisrael.com/four-idf-t...
Four IDF troops hurt, one seriously, in blast claimed by Hezbollah on Lebanon border
Terror group says bombs planted inside Lebanese territory detonated as soldiers crossed border; Israeli fighter jets hit Hezbollah sites in overnight strikes
That's where I'd continue to watch, because anyone who has been paying attention the last 5 months knows that's the direction the IDF is looking. But as to your characterization of Iran launching strikes that cost a billion dollars to take out (with the help of at least 3-4 other countries), I think we're going to disagree on that overall characterization. That's a major escalation, and there's a reason every diplomat remotely tied to this region is being mobilized today.
I don't think someone actually needs to be in a war cabinet to be considered a warmonger, fwiw.
Please stop quoting V*****
Of course. All the Jews that were displaced over the last 2,000 years found (relative) freedom and peace by moving on. Certainly not by "fighting" against insurmountable odds. The Jews of Medina were murdered by the Islamists down to the last man, so they never found any freedom and peace. But that was a singular case of brutal genocide. From the Roman to the Spanish to Russian to the German to the Arab pogroms, many Jews found freedom
Arab-Israelis are doing way better than the vast majority of Arabs in the region.
I don't think someone actually needs to be in a war cabinet to be considered a warmonger, fwiw.
Well I can't possibly imagine what other aspect of me discussing this news could lead him to that assertion then. Discussing what they'll do is just geopolitics. In a thread dedicated to just that.
This is the first time I've complained about the minute timer for reporting posts.
Why report they are going to allow his antisemitism forever
And then you have people who aren't antisemtic (at least i don't think so) constantly white knighting him
This thread is disguising at this point
Why report they are going to allow his antisemitism forever
And then you have people who aren't antisemtic (at least i don't think so) constantly white knighting him
This thread is disguising at this point
As bad and horrific it is for vic to be antisemitic and for many people to agree with him for significant parts, that's a huge chunk of western population in general so even if disgusting i think it's useful to interact with them. We aren't talking some fringe leftist equivalent of white supremacy storm front or whatever , which being small in society doesn't deserve any space or validation online either, we are talking stuff which 20-40% of the population in most western countries agree with.
Israel is doing the clearest genocide of our times but to disagree or criticize is antisemtic. you guys are rediculous.
Israel is doing the clearest genocide of our times but to disagree or criticize is antisemtic. you guys are rediculous.
Have you seen me call someone like Micro an antisemite? He's disagreeing and criticizing.
No, we're just calling out the parts where you're being a very obvious antisemite my dude.
and yet you still think this was a legit attack instead of a way for Iran to save face. you think they send drones from 1000 miles away and with warning ?
you are a warmonger imo still. you thought the same thing of Iraq .
it's not the first time this has happened
I dont know how much truth there is to this, but I was reading something on my Twitter feed what I thought an interesting possibility. That Putin is behind Iran/Hezbollah getting more active against Israel. And that is that Putin realizes the west is going to prioritize Israel over Ukraine; so he wants Iran to walk a tightrope where they are antagonistic enough with Israel (without full blown war) to distract the west from Ukraine.
And for good or bad, Israel does need to deal with Hezbollah. No nation can have heavily armed militias on their borders attacking their border towns, which is exactly what is going on. So Iran/Hezbollah antagonize Israel up to the point Israel goes into a full blown war with Hezbollah (but not Iran) and the west focuses completely on this, and Ukraine is ignored, helping Putin out.
And this wagging the dog approach is also helpful to Iran. The IRI is EXTREMELY unpopular, so they are going with the tried and true method that most Middle East nations turn to of riling up their antisemitic base to shore up support at home.
we got a bunch of people in here cheering on a genocide and absolutely giddy about the prospect of Israel attacking 3 other countries. and celebrating the murder of children and paramedics in Lebanon. and celebrating an embassy bombing that killed a bunch of innocent people.
you dont like my comparisons? noted. dont care.
good
We got a guy who loves genocide, and is super upset that the people he wants killed aren’t being genocided. Since those people are fighting a war against those who (like genocide vic) want to genocide them—he constantly calls them genocidal in a twisted way to justify his own genocidal thirst.
That, combined with his nonstop lies (no one in here wants Israel to be in a war) make genocide vic the person he is.
you dont want israel to be in a war against palestine? So youre pro palestine
Biden needs to stop playing both sides
"We fully support Israel"
"We will not help with a retaliation against iran"
If biden was less flip floppy this attack wouldn't have happened
And even if our administration thinks Israel should not retaliate, which is fine, you don't publicly announce that. Clueless Joe
Israel is doing the clearest genocide of our times but to disagree or criticize is antisemtic. you guys are rediculous.
There's no genocide
Israel doesn't want the land. Israel is trying to get rid of Hamas. There have been civilian casualties along the way. How many? Who knows we aren't counting any of them as military in victors eyes
All Israelis over 18 are military. All gazans are civilians
I mean i guess by those rules, sure it's a genocide
