Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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by rafiki P


Rafi, you've gone in to full-on Holocaust denial mode and it's ****ing gross. It's not too late to take a step back, realize you've been letting an understandable sense of fear affect your judgement, and get off this path.


by microbet P

Twitter and tiktok are streams of anecdotes. And it's not a random sampling. It can have news items, but there's no way it's a representative population. And both you and people like mets do this. Someone could very easily post a stream of comments from Palestine activists saying all Jews everywhere should be boiled in oil. Very easily.

The actual polls are bad enough. The anecdotes are ridic. I don't want to have to find tiktoks or

almost 90% of the Jewish Israeli population either supports the way the war is being waged or think the Army is not killing enough.

we have pages of genocidal statements by leaderssubmitted by SA to the courts.

many Israeli scholars have been predicting an event like this for years given the radicalization and dehumanization in their society.

these soldiers are a reflection of that.

this is going to go down in history as one of the all time greatest crimes. it seems that you think this is some both sides type thing. its not. its a coordinated effort the torture and murder a civilian population.


The irony of people like Bill Haywood and Victor insisting that the Palestinian project is a secular fascist nationalist movement, is that this is actually worse. The fascist nationalist Arab movement is explicitly a Nazi sympathetic movement to create pure Arab Muslim ethnostates.

This is opposed to Islamism, which is fundamentally an Apartheid ideology where it is codified by Islamic law that infidels can coexist as second class citizens. Even Hamas states upon their reconquer of Israel, after they have killed all the fighters and enslaved all the high human capital Jews, the rest can stay as dhimni.


by Victor P

almost 90% of the Jewish Israeli population either supports the way the war is being waged or think the Army is not killing enough.

we have pages of genocidal statements by leaderssubmitted by SA to the courts.

many Israeli scholars have been predicting an event like this for years given the radicalization and dehumanization in their society.

these soldiers are a reflection of that.

this is going to go down in history as one of the all time g


Vic, fully everyone is tired of you spamming random unverifiable tweets.


by Trolly McTrollson P

Vic, fully everyone is tired of you spamming random unverifiable tweets.

right bc Palestinian journalists dont count. your racism is showing.


the tweets make you uncomfortable. they should make you uncomfortable.


by Victor P

Nakba denial. really vile stuff.

This coming from the genocidal Jew hater who denies the atrocities of October 7th…


by gs3737 P

This coming from the genocidal Jew hater who denies the atrocities of October 7th…

repeat a big lie often enough and maybe people will believe it. wonder where you learned that technique from?


by Victor P

repeat a big lie often enough and maybe people will believe it. wonder where you learned that technique from?

That’s literally your M.O.

It’s ok vic, so long as you believe your own bs.


by rafiki P

Bill they were invited to live in Israel. That's not ethnic cleansing.

Are you serious? 750,000 were expelled. Plan Dalet, adopted March 1948, set the priorities to seize as much land with as few Palestinians as possible.

Benny "Finish the Job" Morris accepts there was a Nakba, why can't you?


by rafiki P

Nothing I've discussed has anything to do with American troops in the middle east. That's not what this pact would be.

What I am getting at is Biden isn't chomping at the bits to get more closely aligned with Saudis or anyone else in the region.


by gs3737 P

That’s literally your M.O.

It’s ok vic, so long as you believe your own bs.

you would not be able to find a single one


micro, this guy doesnt think its just anecdotes. he wrote like 100 pages on what he has seen.

hes a Jewish Israeli professor and not one of those dirty Arabs that Trolly likes to dismiss


by Victor P

you would not be able to find a single one

who killed most of the dead israeli civilians on oct 7


by Victor P

you would not be able to find a single one

Basically every one of your insane, hate-filled posts.

Even the guys on the same side as you see it.


by BOIDS P

who killed most of the dead israeli civilians on oct 7

hard to say. maybe there should be an independent international investigation.


by Victor P

micro, this guy doesnt think its just anecdotes. he wrote like 100 pages on what he has seen.

Goddamn Vic, you're so very close. Now maybe consider reading and sharing these published articles instead of some unverifiable tweet.


that guys is looking at the same stuff I am. he is drawing the same conclusions. I dont have the ability to write long articles. but I know what I see.


I feel like almost all tweets are unverified and should be treated as pointless words


Vic has a large bias but that doesn’t mean he’s wrong


by Victor P

hard to say.

wasn't hard when you were telling us that the IDF did most of it


by rafiki P

In an honest debate, a truly honest one, this post always just puts it to rest.

But we've not had an honest debate in here since the word go.

The antisemites cleanse the Jews from 40 countries and scream Nabka?

Sounds legit


The rape denier says that Israel murdered its own people on oct 7

Adds up too


by Victor P

the tweets make you uncomfortable. they should make you uncomfortable.

I dont think the tweets make trolly feel unconfortable. I think hes saying that the tweets shouldnt make anyone feel unconfortable or really anything at all because twitter is a personality influencer and is theatre.


by metsandfinsfan P

The antisemites cleanse the Jews from 40 countries and scream Nabka?

Sounds legit

Palestinians didn’t cleanse the Jews from 40 countries man.

and the nakba, just like the trail of tears, happened

The fastest way to peace is reconciliation. Terrorists grow exponentially due to the compound growth of one dead terrorist person growing 3 more terrorist people.

So it’s an extremely ineffective way to end a conflict although it will help the people in charge spend tax payer money on weapons while staying in charge. In the end the common person suffers(on both sides) and the rich get richer while keeping their hands “clean”


Vic there was clearly rape on Oct 7 just like there is rape in IDF jails where the Palestinians are being held


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