Israel/Palestine thread
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yeah he went on 60 minutes to say that there should be an independent investigation into the supposed facts regarding the alleged holocaust
pretty sure there have been plenty on the holocaust. but not for Oct 6th. facts are just so hard for you guys.
It looks like 26 billion to Israel/Gaza being voted on on Friday or Saturday.
lol total trash
now disparage his co-hosts, other apologists, apostates.
Apostasy is seeing a spike. yhtsi. The trajectory!!
Germans and Nazis were coddled for sure after WW2. Denazification was a joke. On the one hand, of course that is not just. On the other hand, Germany was back trying to take over the world 20 years after the Treaty of Versailles and now they are on an almost 80 year streak of not trying to take over the world.
War begets war. Killing begets killing. The only way to peace is through peace and reconciliation.
Or common enemies. Namely the Soviets at the time.
It's still a biological argument.
You're saying in all historical periods the Muslims just wanted to kill Jews. So the historical context does not matter, thus it can only be their biology.
I think it is more fair to say that Islam is in its essence an Apartheid worldview, and explicitly states that Jews are to be assigned secondhand status. And that has how the last 1400 years or so has gone.
Additionally, when the Jews of his time got out of line, the patriarch of their religion killed, enslaved and raped them; setting a very strong precedent for how Jews should be punished when they get out of line. And this attitude is encapsulated in the Medina Koran, which I understand is word for word more antisemitic than Mein Kampf.
And over the next 1400 years there has been many similar instances of Muslims punishing Jews according to their patriarch's example. However, there has also been times where Jews stayed in line and coexisted peacefully as secondhand dhimni. And as Micro likes to point out, there have even been long periods of history when Muslims treated the Jewish diaspora better than Christians did (although this seems to be more because the Christian world was especially horrible, more than any good behavior from the Muslim world).
However, fast forward to modern times and the Jews of Israel are way, way, way out of line according to Islamic doctrine, and the Muslim world feels it is their religious obligation to punish them according to their religious tradition. But the Jews of Israel have no interest in allowing this to happen, and for the first time in history have the power to say "No, you shall not murder, rape enslave and pogrom me. Never again."
And the Muslim world is having a hard time navigating the rapid change in the Muslim-Jew dynamic, after 1400 years of one way stability. I am guessing in some hypothetical where American Indian tribes joined together and gained some new technology that allows them to militarily and economically dominate the United States, and used this technology to conquer California, the rest of the US would have problems navigating this inversion of the social order.
I would say the American psyche of the righteousness of manifest destiny and domination of the Indian American natives is comparable to the Muslim psyche of righteousness of domination over the Jews; and inverting this dynamic would be similarly unsettling.
Honestly, I think if Iran (or some other Muslim nation) defeated Israel in a war, and killed a couple million Jews in the process, and this allowed the Palestinians to reconquer Israel to around the 1948 borders; then the Muslim world could get some catharsis that they reasserted some order to the universe. And a lot of the antagonism towards the Jews would dissipate. But I certainly dont expect Israel to just allow this to happen for some greater good.
Also, I think it would also be a mistake to assume just because the leadership of many non Democratic Arab nations is normalizing relations with Israel, this means the Muslim people themselves are making their peace with Israel. All polling indicates this is not happening at all. That the "Arab street" sympathizes more with the Houthis and Hamas than the government position of Saudi Arabia or Jordan.
It is actually kind of funny how so many Arab people are antisemitic, but the (non democratic) leadership is coming around. And in Iran it is pretty much the mirror opposite. Extremely openly antisemitic leadership, with a large segment of the populace agnostic towards Israel.
Would read again
Wonder what's on Vic's itinerary today?
I think it is more fair to say that Islam is in its essence an Apartheid worldview, and explicitly states that Jews are to be assigned secondhand status. And that has how the last 1400 years or so has gone.
Additionally, when the Jews of his time got out of line, the patriarch of their religion killed, enslaved and raped them; setting a very strong precedent for how Jews should be punished when they get out of line. And this attitude is e
This is a very good post.
Israel is the first example of true Jewish power. It had never really existed before (they were among the most powerless for thousands of years). It times very poorly with what it means to be powerful in 2024.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/arti...
US approves Rafah op. in exchange for no Israeli counter-strikes on Iran - report
Between that and how fast things are escalating in the North, I think my call was 2./3 correct. They went the Game of Thrones route, and traded going after Iran for going after their proxies, while it's the most logical to do so. The attacks in the North from Hezbollah are non-stop now. That one is going to bubble over in a big way after Passover at this rate.
Israel was always going into Rafah. This reads to me like USA told Israel not to attack Iran and they're trying to spin it.
well I started out by reading about quadcopters that shot at children and mimicked sounds of women and babies to draw people out of their tents and murder them.
then I came here and read about how absolutely gleeful rafiki and Dun are about that sort of stuff.
proly stop for awhile until my animosity towards my "fellow man" subsides.
I think Biden will be trying to stall this and eventually talk Bibi out of it completely. I doubt he succeeds.
If Israel goes into Rafah + Lebanon and disregards Iran it call pull it off, good development.
But it has to act immediatly
If Israel goes into Rafah + Lebanon and disregards Iran it call pull it off, good development.
But it has to act immediatly
They can do Hezbollah any time now. But Rafah they have to evacuate first. It's going to take a long time. And I think that's clearly for the best. Egypt is said to be aware of the timetable and is cooperating.
We're invading Lebanon too? Oh boy!
Erections everywhere in this thread.
Lebanon has a "state within a state" militia right on the border of Israel (violating international law) literally attacking Israel. I am pretty confident if Wagner group was parked on the border of Baja Mexico firing drones and rockets into San Diego we would have "invaded" Mexico a long time ago in response.
It is actually a testament to just how bizarre this whole situation is that leftists think having Hezbollah on the border attacking Israel should be the status quo. It actually shouldn't. And no nation that had the capacity to deal with such a problem would allow it to remain.
In an honest world with an ethical UN and Lebanon, the entire world would be working to get rid of Hezbollah, by force if necessary.
