The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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by uke_master P

Hold on, are you telling me that youth sports isn't a perfectly level playing field where all people have identical bodies, identical training, identical access, identical strengths in all regards?!?!?

We created women sports because otherwise women can never win, because the best men are just always (a lot) better than the best women.

Among men we keep wide ranges, but in some sports, we go with weight ranges, because in some sports, if you weight a lot more you always win.

If anything we should do more categories, otherwise a specific human subset always wins.

Some sports simply reward some specific, very genetically based, characteristics


by Luciom P

Some sports simply reward some specific, very genetically based, characteristics

Some?


by Didace P

Some?

Some much more than others, and some only reward very specific traits, other reward trait combinations, so it's harder for an ethnic group to be ultra dominant.

Soccer famously does it less than most sports which is why you have fairly different genotypes among the top20 players in the game history.

Water polo as well is "very balanced", at least compared to other sports.

In general if a sport rewards mental characteristics and physical ones, it's harder for a single ethnicity to be ultra dominant.


by chillrob P

They shouldn't be able to win.

Someone in this thread just linked a video, the action you're criticising was taken by young girls who didn't want to compete against a boy. Why don't you tell us what you think of those bigoted girls and how they're wrong here.

ding ding ding


by Luckbox Inc P

Would you therefore support just making all youth sports co-ed?

reality 1, disgusting smarm 0


Give an inch, they'll take a mile.

Good on you, girls from West Virginia.

Also, Becky Pepper-Jackson is 13 years old, bigger than everyone else out there, and ended up with the top score at the competition in question, putting up a throw that went a full 3 feet past the #2 contender.

Multiple middle schools attended the competition. Only five girls refused to compete.

You can see the list here: https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/m...


by Inso0 P

Give an inch, they'll take a mile.

Good on you, girls from West Virginia.

Also, Becky Pepper-Jackson is 13 years old, bigger than everyone else out there, and ended up with the top score at the competition in question, putting up a throw that went a full 3 feet past the #2 contender.

Multiple middle schools attended the competition. Only five girls refused to compete.

You can see the list here:

Cordi claimed it was a 11y old on blockers, I wonder why he chose to lie to give the impression the kid never had any puberal advantage


Because he did the same thing I did, which was google the name. The very first article is one from 2021 claiming Becky is 11 and on blockers. I tried to substantiate the blockers thing further, but couldn't and gave up quickly. Frankly, it doesn't matter. We shouldn't be actively encouraging people to put their preteens on this sort of thing.

I didn't bother posting any of the photos because frankly there are some real girls who don't look particularly feminine, either. But the bottom line is that ol' Becky is out there kicking ass and taking names.


by Inso0 P

Give an inch, they'll take a mile.

Good on you, girls from West Virginia.

Also, Becky Pepper-Jackson is 13 years old, bigger than everyone else out there, and ended up with the top score at the competition in question, putting up a throw that went a full 3 feet past the #2 contender.

Multiple middle schools attended the competition. Only five girls refused to compete.

You can see the list here:

You guys are oddly obsessed with the minutia of a middle school girls shotput competition.


If by oddly obsessed, you mean gave it 3 minutes of my Friday afternoon, then yes, yes I am.

Just inject it directly into my veins, please.


by uke_master P

You guys are oddly obsessed with the minutia of a middle school girls shotput competition.

more cheap and disgusting smarm in lieu of actual substance


by rickroll P

more cheap and disgusting smarm in lieu of actual substance

I haven’t - and won’t - forget the last comment you made to me that was deleted. Saying “cheap” lands on very, very deaf ears.


by uke_master P

I haven’t - and won’t - forget the last comment you made to me that was deleted. Saying “cheap” lands on very, very deaf ears.

that's all you do is post smarmy attacks made of strawmen, i was hoping you were taking time off to reflect on how terrible a person you were, guess i was wrong

and all i did was repeat your own words, so more strawmen smarm attacks

you're a broken record and this is all you're capable of



Judging by some of the rage posting in here it's obvious at least a couple of you have been catfished by a trans before and/or flirted with one without knowing they're trans. This whole trans hate/fear thing is like attack of the gays in the 80s. Smarten up


by rickroll P

that's all you do is post smarmy attacks made of strawmen, i was hoping you were taking time off to reflect on how terrible a person you were, guess i was wrong

and all i did was repeat your own words, so more strawmen smarm attacks

you're a broken record and this is all you're capable of

Wtf is wrong with you.


by uke_master P

Wtf is wrong with you.

more vague smarmy accusations, shocker

i genuinely thought you took that week off to self-reflect on your deplorable behavior and was hoping to see some progress from you on your return

you add nothing to any conversation, all you do is attack people, you're not a good person and you don't even add anything to the conversation, you're only here to insult others so you can feel better about yourself and you do with smarm to insulate yourself from rebuttals

you're a bad person and a coward


by uke_master P

You guys are oddly obsessed with the minutia of a middle school girls shotput competition.

This **** is absurdly abnormal. Even the GOP is slowly walking away from trans hysteria they stirred up, it's obvious the hate they're stirring up only resonates with a tiny number of sad little creeps.


by Trolly McTrollson P

This **** is absurdly abnormal. Even the GOP is slowly walking away from trans hysteria they stirred up, it's obvious the hate they're stirring up only resonates with a tiny number of sad little creeps.

Tiny number of sad little creeps are actual majorities in many places to the point that even the ultra leftist Scottish government, as I reported, stopped prescribing puberty blockers to kids who feel they are of the other sex.

Scandinavia stopped as well in most cases, england stopped as well, half American states banned them as well.

Tiny numbers you say, I say we are winning and you children mutilators are losing, as it should be


by GameofPwned P

Judging by some of the rage posting in here it's obvious at least a couple of you have been catfished by a trans before and/or flirted with one without knowing they're trans. This whole trans hate/fear thing is like attack of the gays in the 80s. Smarten up

Gays didn't try to permanently mutilate minors


by uke_master P

Hold on, are you telling me that youth sports isn't a perfectly level playing field where all people have identical bodies, identical training, identical access, identical strengths in all regards?!?!?

by Luckbox Inc P

Would you therefore support just making all youth sports co-ed?

by uke_master P

No, that doesn't follow.

Then I guess I don't understand your point.


by Luciom P

Gays didn't try to permanently mutilate minors

Gays were a menace to our children; all were pervs and deviants who would rape your boy if given the chance. Do you really not remember this? Can you honestly not see the parallels here?


by GameofPwned P

Gays were a menace to our children; all were pervs and deviants who would rape your boy if given the chance. Do you really not remember this? Can you honestly not see the parallels here?

A group that has nothing to do with another group was accused of doing something it didn't do, while the other group actually do.

No I dont see parallels. What i see is an attempt to excuse children mutilation on the basis that others completely unrelated groups in the past were wrongly accused to damage children.

Btw to be clear, trans-ness has 0 to do with LGB. Nada. NOTHING. The radical left pretense of adding letters to the list doesn't make them linked.


by rickroll P

more vague smarmy accusations, shocker

i genuinely thought you took that week off to self-reflect on your deplorable behavior and was hoping to see some progress from you on your return

you add nothing to any conversation, all you do is attack people, you're not a good person and you don't even add anything to the conversation, you're only here to insult others so you can feel better about yourself and you do with smarm to insulate yourself f

Buddy, you said I had a closeted “sham marriage”. You don’t get to give lectures about who is a bad person or who is attacking people anymore.


by Luciom P

Tiny number of sad little creeps are actual majorities in many places to the point that even the ultra leftist Scottish government, as I reported, stopped prescribing puberty blockers to kids who feel they are of the other sex.

Cool man, carry on your totally normal and happy pastime of researching the puberty blocking restriction regs of various countries. I'ma smoke a joint and watch a John Carpenter movie.


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