The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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30 June 2023 at 04:48 PM
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by sublime P

i love the defenders of males competing against females.

"wow, you care a lot about middle school shot putting."

no, you dolts, we care about fighting the illusion that a male can become a female and a female a male. its moronic at best and downright dangerous at worst.

What if the illusion is moronic and fighting it is dangerous?


by sublime P

no, you dolts, we care about fighting the illusion that a male can become a female and a female a male.

Is that what what going on in middle school shot put? I thought we were just throwing a heavy ball.


The point is that the ideas that you can have gender segregated sports to encourage female participation AND gender should be decoupled from biology are not compatible; so it will be interesting moving forward how society deals with the tension.

I predict the more the regime forces "trans female" participation in female sports, the more females are just going to check out of sports altogether. Time will tell whether this prediction will hold true or not.


Ya sublime I think everyone got that you don’t actually care about middle school shotput and just want to **** on the idea of trans people.


I don't give a **** about trans people competing in their preferred gender's sports if they can somehow prove they're on meds to suppress competitive disadvantages. Not sure how you do that without forcing open people's medical files and that's a big no-no.


Dr Hilary Cass can no longer use public transport due to concerns over her safety...



oh great, more examples for luc for his "only leftists are violent" theory


by sublime P

i love the defenders of males competing against females.

"wow, you care a lot about middle school shot putting."

no, you dolts, we care about fighting the illusion that a male can become a female and a female a male. its moronic at best and downright dangerous at worst.

I think part of the reason that these issues draw attention is that the trans ideologues demand we all play along with a kind of mass psychosis.

People erroneously compare it to gay rights which are mostly about being left in peace. For example, gays want and should have imo, the right to adopt. But they do not demand that everyone pretend that an adopted child is biological and that one of the fathers had morning sickness, etc.

This movement demands that we allow men to play women's sports and say things we know to be false. Like, men can give birth.

While these are not earth shaking events, this touches on deeper issues. For one, it is an act of submission to say and pretend to believe things that almost everyone knows to be false because an ideology demands it. Imagine Catholics saying you are a bigot unless you say that wine is literally Jesus's blood.


yes, this would be equivalent to gay rights if the gays demanded straights have sex with them and anyone who didn't consent to the rape was labeled an evil homophobe

massive difference between demanding equal rights and social acceptance and screaming at the top of your lungs that the correct term is pregnant people


by GameofPwned P

Judging by some of the rage posting in here it's obvious at least a couple of you have been catfished by a trans before and/or flirted with one without knowing they're trans. This whole trans hate/fear thing is like attack of the gays in the 80s. Smarten up

careful where you go with this, if it were true then so would the inverse which says that those on the other side are closet cases and apparently it's in bad to bring the past


Another worldly device to cope. Both sides


by rickroll P

oh great, more examples for luc for his "only leftists are violent" theory

Theory is "leftists are far more politically violent in the west than the right, and have been for many decades" and yes it is confirmed every day by actual reality.


by ES2 P

I think part of the reason that these issues draw attention is that the trans ideologues demand we all play along with a kind of mass psychosis.

People erroneously compare it to gay rights which are mostly about being left in peace. For example, gays want and should have imo, the right to adopt. But they do not demand that everyone pretend that an adopted child is biological and that one of the fathers had morning sickness, etc.

This movemen

Imagine Catholics having the power to fire you if you deny the wine is blood, to sue you if you hire a Catholic and allow people in the workplace to claim Mary wasn't actually a virgin, to expel you from school if you deny every person is born in sin, and that would be a closer picture of what trans activists are actually working for.

And then of course mandate by law catholic quotas among employees in all big companies (otherwise it's "statistical discrimination") among other things.


by Luciom P

Theory is "leftists are far more politically violent in the west than the right, and have been for many decades" and yes it is confirmed every day by actual reality.

Is this restricted to some category like "civilian political activists?" Because, obviously, if we include things like police violence, military violence and incarceration (if you consider that violence), then this claim becomes absurd.


by ES2 P

Is this restricted to some category like "civilian political activists?" Because, obviously, if we include things like police violence, military violence and incarceration (if you consider that violence), then this claim becomes absurd.

It's restricted to not-lawful violence in general.

Btw leftists go pretty hard at wars and incarceration often enough. The biggest amnisty in American history was signed by Reagan, the biggest in Italian history was promoted by a right wing government.

It's mainly rightwing nativists who oppose all foreign intervention (and some fringe on the left extreme), not only in the USA.

Not that incarceration and warfare are inherently bad (they aren't).

But yes my above claim is about not-legal uses of violence for political goals.


by Luciom P

Theory is "leftists are far more politically violent in the west than the right, and have been for many decades" and yes it is confirmed every day by actual reality.

Okay, but what about some data? Seems the null hypothesis that no one political group is inherently more violent than any other would need some pretty compelling evidence to be falsified.


by rickroll P

yes, this would be equivalent to gay rights if the gays demanded straights have sex with them and anyone who didn't consent to the rape was labeled an evil homophobe

...is everything okay?


by Elrazor P

Okay, but what about some data? Seems the null hypothesis that no one political group is inherently more violent than any other would need some pretty compelling evidence to be falsified.

I tried for the USA with something like 900+ big crowd riots from the left since 1946 vs Jan 6.

We basically never have 5k+ neonazis or similar wreaking havoc in cities, like ever.

We had hundreds of students, unions, race riots in the west, each and every one of them predicated on leftist values.

Again aside jan6 what's the last urban guerrilla scenario where the crowd was blatantly rightwing you remember? There were some left v right street fighting episodes in Italy.

But 10k rabid neofascista burning buildings and cars? Because we had hundreds of such examples on the left from 1946


luc, you're just listing anecdotal things and not showing objective data

imagine if you will that i wanted to convince you that the only food in the world was in the shape of a penis and then listed corn, hotdogs, macaroni, & subs as my examples - are you now sold on the premise that all food is in the shape of a penis?


by rickroll P

luc, you're just listing anecdotal things and not showing objective data

imagine if you will that i wanted to convince you that the only food in the world was in the shape of a penis and then listed corn, hotdogs, macaroni, & subs as my examples - are you now sold on the premise that all food is in the shape of a penis?

It's not about anecdotes, just check all crowd riot episodes in major western countries.

I asked for counters, give me the rightwing equivalent of BLM riots, hot summer riots, 1968-69 and 1977 student riots, strikes that ended in riots, yellow vests riots, anti-WTO riots and so on.

And each of those movements were tens or hundreds of riots
The counter was some recent mass shooting in the USA predicated on white supremacy.

That's one or 4 people! Each if the riots are thousands of violent leftist monsters incompatible with society pillaging our cities. How is that even comparable?


by ES2 P

This movement demands that we… say things we know to be false. Like, men can give birth. .

lol these guys get so hung up on basics. Trans men can give birth. That isnt some false thing. You can get all mad and stomp your feet about calling trans men “men” if you want, but there is no need to pretend anyone is claiming something biologically impossible. What nonsense.


i've listed 4 different penis shaped foods, you've listed 0

case closed - all food shaped like dick


Ok man, yellow vest riots in France alone were a lot worse than the totality of rightwing violence in western democratic history since 1946.

Years of cities burning for months, what comes close to that?

Anecdotes? There are no rightwing mass crowd riots basically ever since 1946!!!


by Elrazor P

Dr Hilary Cass can no longer use public transport due to concerns over her safety...


Yeah at 1:00 in the video talking about how a child walked in to a clinic and was being medically transitioned behind their parents backs within minutes, they start talking about how transtifa responded by the report by smashing up CBC

It's a cult

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by uke_master P

Ya sublime I think everyone got that you don’t actually care about middle school shotput and just want to **** on the idea of trans people.

This summarizes your posting perfectly. No argument, idea, or thought. Just a strawman insult

I'm not saying it's right, but that's why people insult you


Btw we should make it crystal clear that the cult isn't even made up by trans people most of the times, it's just radical leftists, and many trans people don't agree with gender theory claims, nor with the idea of forcing others to lie and so on.


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