Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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I get that you quibble over "fascist", but you can't possibly object to "authoritarian" can you?


by jalfrezi P

That could be a lot of people to exterminate if they don't have anywhere else to go. Do you see this happening individually (very expensive) or en masse?

So not a single country among the 200+ existing would accept those human beings, and I should take this refusal by every other human group on the planet as proof of what if not a clear indication those people are horribly worse than normal human beings?

If no place in the world wants you, that's confirmation I am right in refusing you as well and it's your time to leave this planet for the good of every other person


by Luciom P

So not a single country among the 200+ existing would accept those human beings, and I should take this refusal by every other human group on the planet as proof of what if not a clear indication those people are horribly worse than normal human beings?

If no place in the world wants you, that's confirmation I am right in refusing you as well and it's your time to leave this planet for the good of every other person

I will be upset if any mod bans you. It would be a cover-up. It would be protecting the people who have +1'd this guy.


by Luciom P

So not a single country among the 200+ existing would accept those human beings, and I should take this refusal by every other human group on the planet as proof of what if not a clear indication those people are horribly worse than normal human beings?

If no place in the world wants you, that's confirmation I am right in refusing you as well and it's your time to leave this planet for the good of every other person

I understand that's your desired policy. I'm just asking how you'd go about implementing it. Do you see this happening individually (very expensive) or en masse?


by gs3737 P

The people who hate the USA soooooo much but still live here make me laugh.

It’s a lot like the BDS people. If you really wanna boycott Israel, throw away your iPhone, never use Waze again, don’t use any of the medical advances from Israel, etc. Now that’s a commitment, vs just not drinking Coke or some bs.

Waze is much more common outside of the US than it is within, fwiw.


@jalfrezi

Keep in mind that if china wants to expel pro democracy hong-kongers, plenty of places would take them in.

That's a real world example.

I would expel pro Hamas Italians. Certainly pro Hamas countries like Lula Brazil or others can take them in right?

Let's sort people in countries where we ALL agree on some foundational values.

It's monstrous to live with people who believe in values you would die to fight and viceversa.

The popperian/sorosian open society is a fraud, and a moral bankruptcy.

We should only live with people we agree on basic values with


by Luciom P

If no place in the world wants you, that's confirmation I am right in refusing you as well and it's your time to leave this planet for the good of every other person

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Lou...


@Luciom. I get that, but how do you go about achieving it without thousands of trials taking up court time for ages?


by microbet P

I will be upset if any mod bans you. It would be a cover-up. It would be protecting the people who have +1'd this guy.

Ironic coming from the guy who’s in step with genocide vic.


by jalfrezi P

@Luciom. I get that, but how do you go about achieving it without thousands of trials taking up court time for ages?

It would take tens of thousands of individual trials or some mass ones yes.

Like you would do with mafia or with de-nazification (of you actually wanted to denazify after WW2) and the like.

Not expensive though as the guilty people would be sentenced to pay for all expenses as well, so you just need to target with some precision and not a wide fishing net.

Keep also in mind I do believe a lot of people would magically change their mind if it becomes costly to be an Hamas sponsor in Italy or another western country.

I am fine with people believing something inside them if they never act on it at all.

So you charge 500 blatant pro Hamas people, easily find them all guilty, strip them of citizenship, and a hundred thousands more will stop stanning for Hamas


by jalfrezi P

I understand that's your desired policy. I'm just asking how you'd go about implementing it. Do you see this happening individually (very expensive) or en masse?

Wtf did he post now?

Oh he's talking about palestine...


by Luciom P

So you charge 500 blatant pro Hamas people, easily find them all guilty, strip them of citizenship, and a hundred thousands more will stop stanning for Hamas

Make an example of 500 by killing them and the others will drop their support for Hamas?


by washoe P

Wtf did he post now?

Report worthy?

Don't be a baby. His fascism may be a problem, but us being able to see it isn't.


Italian u said you have 2 kids.... did they take custody away from you?
They must have, I wonder why... lol


by Luciom P

Man this was not true from 2006 to 9 of October 2023.

it was true. you are simply factually wrong. Israel denied tons of people from leaving. often after being interrogated for hours at the Kerem Shalom crossing. usually these people were trying to leave for school or work or especially medical. kids died every year of treatable maladies bc they were denied leave. usually Israel would grant the leave after the child had died as an extra FU.

but that is sort of beside the point. you want to execute people who are trespassers ok. but that is sort of incompatible with the Palestinians being allowed to leave bc they will eventually become trespassers in whatever country they escape too. ofc that is proly your whole goal.


by jalfrezi P

Make an example of 500 by killing them and the others will drop their support for Hamas?

basically something that has never worked in the history of mankind lol.


by microbet P

Don't be a baby. His fascism may be a problem, but us being able to see it isn't.

Alright. U can handle it. But he's trying to piss you off right?

I mean u guys get this, right?


by microbet P

Thinking people should be stripped of their citizenship because of beliefs is not incidental to you being a fascist.

Sure because your ethnicity is a belief (?????).

Are you on drugs?

UK just stripped a citizen of citizenship because she went to fight for islamic terrorists.

Shamima Begum.

That wasn't considered fascism by anyone except some radical (pro Islamic terror) leftists.

I just propose to do that at a bigger scale.


by jalfrezi P

Make an example of 500 by killing them and the others will drop their support for Hamas?

Killing? No.

Stripping them of citizenship then give them some time to find a country that takes them in and if none does, yes kill them.


by washoe P

Alright. U can handle it. But he's trying to piss you off right?

I mean u guys get this, right?

haha washoe cuts thru the bullshit.

I actually thought the guy was a caricature of the shitlib bootlicker from day 1. like hes trying to make hem look bad by parody. but maybe he is sincere I dunno.

sorry I still get caught up in it too.


by Luciom P

UK just stripped a citizen of citizenship because she went to fight for islamic terrorists.

Shamima Begum.

That wasn't considered fascism by anyone except some radical (pro Islamic terror) leftists.

I just propose to do that at a bigger scale.

UK person here knows more about this than you and many people thought this was very wrong.


by washoe P

Wtf did he post now?

Oh he's talking about palestine...

I am talking about how we should treat citizens of western countries that, like victor and unfortunately many others, are pro Hamas.


by jalfrezi P

UK person here knows more about this than you and many people thought this was very wrong.

Ok then go call everyone who agreed with that a fascist but realize you are stripping all meaning from that label.

Or we can keep talking like we are unlike with monkeybet, who constantly just trolls me.

We should pull a Begum to anyone who in any capacity helps Hamas in any way while being a western country citizen.


by washoe P

Alright. U can handle it. But he's trying to piss you off right?

I mean u guys get this, right?

There may be some trolling sometimes but he's the same as every fascist ie confused and torn.


by Luciom P

Killing? No.

Stripping them of citizenship then give them some time to find a country that takes them in and if none does, yes kill them.

Right. So if they have no other country to go to, then kill them.


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