Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


[QUOTE=Crossnerd]Edit: RULES FOR THIS THREAD

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These are our baselines. We're not reinventing the wheel here. If you aren't sure if something is acceptable to post, its better to ask first. If you think someone is posting something that violates the above guidelines, please report it or PM me rather than responding in kind.

To reiterate some of the points:

1. No personal attacks. This is a broad instruction, but, in general, we want to focus on attacking an argument rather than the poster making it. It is fine to say a post is antisemitic; it is not okay to call someone an antisemite over and over. If you believe someone is making antisemitic posts, report them or PM me. The same goes for calling people "baby killers" and "genocide lovers". You are allowed to argue that an action supports genocide or that the consequences of certain policies results in the death of children, but we are no longer going to be speaking to one another's intentions. It is not productive to the conversation and doesn't further any debate.

2. Racist posts and other bigoted statements that target a particular group or individuals of such groups with derogatory comments are not allowed. This should not need further explanation.

3. Graphic Images need to be in spoilers with a trigger warning.

4. Wishing Harm on other posters will result in an immediate timeout.

5. Genocidal statements such as "Kill 'em all" etc, are no longer permissible in the thread.

If anyone has any questions about the above, please PM me. I don't want a discussion about the rules to derail the content of this thread. If anything needs clarifying, I will do that in this thread.

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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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by Rococo P

I am not obligated to moderate this forum. I don't particularly enjoy moderating this forum. And I certainly am not under an obligation to ensure that the next moderator protects you.

I am not convinced that BGP would be the best choice to mod this forum, but if Bobo and Spew disagree, that's fine with me. On balance, I would rather have BGP moderate the forum than do it myself.

well like I said, cowardly bullshit


by metsandfinsfan P

When the mods decided you were allowed to call Jewish people nazis and lie about people loving genocide it is their fault that cv loses his temper and gets tempbanned

You try to get people to go to far

You get off on it

cv lost his temper at Jal and not me btw.

I didnt have anything to do with him getting banned. I would be fine with unbanning him right now. I dont give a **** if any of you guys get banned or not.


by Victor P

well like I said, cowardly bullshit

Victor,

You can think whatever you want. This isn't my job.


by Victor P

most on this forum think that Palestinians are allowed to be murdered. most on this forum think that Ukrainians can be forced to the front lines to be murdered.

anything opposite of that is antisemitism or Putin-loving.

Responses like the above are one of the many reasons you should not be allowed to do the below, you are an extremely poor judge of what people believe. You are constant victim of slippery slope fallacies (I mean FFS look at how many people the word 'lib' encompasses):

by Victor P


I just want to be able call a spade a genocidal spade.


how erect is BGP right?


dare I say

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engorged


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tumescent



They aren’t forced to retrieve the food.


is that the new Hasbara?


The mods should probably ban corpus and me and victor and mets and luciom and kelhus and gs3737 and boids and jal and bgp and shlitz (am I missing any aholes?) and then chez can just talk to himself in here and it'd be awesome.


ya for the record, I dont want anyone banned.

unless I get banned.

then I want errrryone banned.


by metsandfinsfan P

When the mods decided you were allowed to call Jewish people nazis and lie about people loving genocide it is their fault that cv loses his temper and gets tempbanned

You try to get people to go to far

You get off on it

Adults are responsible for keeping their own temper. You should know that at your great age.


by Victor P

the forum is doing fine. BGP wants to silence any opinions that differ from his.

+1

I don't want CV banned. Hell, I don't even want Luciom banned and he basically posts fantasies about exterminating groups of people.


by Crossnerd P

Adults are responsible for keeping their own temper. You should know that at your great age.

Yes, you should tell that to people who consider being dressed "very jewish" an act of provokation lol


by Rococo P

I gave CV two days for insulting people because he seemed to be the most egregious offender, but there are several people in this thread who need to dial it back.

I accept the ban as I shouldn't have lost my temper. But my insults to Jalfrezi were responses to proactive insults from both him and microbet.
Micro said this:

=microbet;58543433]Who the **** are you explaining why Jews should be called race traitors? ****wad.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

Then Jal chimed in with:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

by jalfrezi P

The same c*** who thinks he knows more about law than a senior person in the Crown Prosecution Service.

Internet forums, sigh.

To which I then retorted with:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

by corpus vile P

You're the c*** making arguments from authority and wailing about Zionist agent provocateurs mate. 😆
Please cite UK law where threatening arrest for being openly Jewish is acceptable, or stfu. 😆

I did proactively insult victor so again fair enough on the ban, but if you're gonna ban me for retorting to the other two, then they should be temp banned as well for proactively insulting me and using the same terminology that was deemed unacceptable by the mods when I retorted.

And to clarify I don't want them banned, but you're not being fair by only banning me. I think a warning for all three of us would have sufficed but again you're not being fair here rococo.

Anyway I only created this account to point this out. and because due to the ban I can't pm you to appeal it. I'll now bow out for the next two days until my corpus account ban is up. But based on the context of this exchange, I respectfully ask that you reconsider my ban as again they proactively insulted me and banning me for my reaction isn't fair, even if banning me for insulting victor is.

@Crossnerd- I'll respond to you under my corpus account when the ban is lifted, cheers.


by The Horror P

The animating factor isn't Jew hatred but American allegiance. If this whole thing wasn't putting a blowback target on our backs, people would care a whole hell of a lot less. We're no longer post-9/11, we're in the proto phase of the next 9/11.

They consider america "the great satan" BECAUSE they think america is "governed by jews" like the old antisemitic tropes (even those preceding nazis) about jews in media & finance controlling society.


No, that's not the reason at all. People here consider the US as a giant rogue nation bombing other nations into submission either so its oil companies can profit or, previously, to suppress the evil commies.

I don't recall many Jewish people in the Bush regime.


by jalfrezi P

No, that's not the reason at all. People here consider the US as a giant rogue nation bombing other nations into submission either so its oil companies can profit or previously to suppress the evil commies.

I don't recall many Jewish people in the Bush regime.

If that was the case, then you would hear stuff about say, the Chinese genocides in Tibet and Xinjang. Instead from middle eastern nations not a blip about China.

And when there was the USSR , it was considered the "lesser Satan" because of atheism (which, mind, is an antisemite trope AS WELL, the idea that communism promotes atheism because of jewish influence was part of the nazi narrative) not because of interventionism

You don't recall jews in the Bush admin but it doesn't matter, the narrative is that of jews pulling strings from behind a curtain


by CV_2 P

I accept the ban as I shouldn't have lost my temper. But my insults to Jalfrezi were responses to proactive insults from both him and microbet.
Micro said this:


https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

Then Jal chimed in with:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

To which I then retorted with:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...


I did pro

It was a two day ban because you seemed to be to most over the top, but I made a specific point of saying that a bunch of people were involved and needed to tone it down. If they don't, I'll give them short bans also.

Please do not make any more posts on this account until your ban is up. That isn't allowed, no matter how respectful you are. It's only two days. Soon enough, you and jal and Victor and whoever will be able to go back to screaming at each other.


These kids might be pushing the election right into Trump's hands. They're going to love what that does for their cause and their beliefs.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/dozens-arr...

Riot cops clear protest encampment at Yale; Columbia head says classes to go remote to ‘deescalate the rancor,’ after calls of ‘go back to Poland’ and ‘burn Tel Aviv to the ground’[/I]



I think we know who was saying that stuff



You need to see some things in less binary terms. Wanting to see Palestinians survive doesn't mean wanting to "kill the Jews".


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