Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread

The mods visit this thread twice a month and all complaints are still subjected to a 7-10 day waiting period - exluding weekends. Chill.

during his reign of terror browser specifically wrote itt that if anyone who was banned felt it was unjust they should appeal

the only way to do so is creating a new account and posting itt to state out your case as cv has done

I don't remember what browser suggested, but if I am the mod, no one should waste their time appealing to me to overturn a two-day ban.

That isn't because I am perfect. I am not. It is because I don't care enough about two day bans to reconsider them.

tbf i took it mostly as a big fu to the people who were banned because he lied and said there was an "appeal the ban" button for those who were banned and that is certainly not the case

and also instructing people to take it to atf and where he and other mods then don't take it seriously at all and instead troll the op and even browser himself joins in posting memes where he cosplays as jack Nicholson ordering code reds

I'm with you on a two day ban, but his appeal does feel valid and there should be a process for appealing that is taken seriously and not one where you just get trolled for appealing as quite a few bans are egregiously bad in length and purpose

just going back in the thread you can see browser gave me a week off for telling him it was wrong for him to be banning so many people while also refusing to answer questions from people over what he considered a bannable offense (his answer was basically you'll find that out when i ban you) - he then claimed i was banned for "trolling" and then he goes and trolls really hard in the atf threads that he specifically told people who were disgruntled with with to go do to appeal his work

fwiw i think you're one of the best mods here and I'm not critiquing you nor this ban nor how you handled/are handling it now, I'm saying there should be a viable process for people to make appeals without fearing reprisal

I have banned very few people for extended periods, but I am 100% confident that each time I did it was warranted. For example, one guy was warned several times about racist posting, sent me a PM confirming his overtly racist views, was temp-banned a couple of times, and then kept it up and got a perma.

Yeah I think it's worth remembering that with very few exceptions, browser's bans seemed to start at a week and go from there, which is just excessive.

Not being familiar with the situation and just reading CV's post, I don't think he's complaining so much that he was banned but that nobody else was. Sounds like he feels whatever transpired, he shared culpability with others.

I've been pretty much absent for the past 2 weeks (or so it feels) so I don't really know what's going on. That said, I think this is a very reasonable approach for CV to take. It might technically break some rules, but it's respectful, and by just making the one post it's still within the spirit of the rules.

Same situation as when bowser came in and banned two people, read the provocations which occurred and directly led up to those two people saying what they said to get banned then unbanned them.

I am not sure Bowser actually understood how the ban process works mechanically. For example, when her permanently banned me he sent me a PM explaining why, that I was obviously never going to see. Obviously he unbanned the account and I eventually saw the PM, but I doubt at the time that was his logic for sending the PM.

I didn't add time to the ban for one post from the alt account.

lololololol

well it does make me feel a little better that it was incompetence rather than genuine spiteful malice

was truly the mod equivalent of "stop hitting yourself"

This.

I read through the exchanges and Corpus Vile was just throwing insults at people. Just take the ban and move on.

Please just ignore all the criticism being thrown at you.

I've been observing this forum whine about moderators since for as long as I can remember.

i don't think anyone is criticizing roc and most are saying just deal with it, only 2 days

but there 100% should be a valid route for appealing bans and it can be very tilting to be given one that you perceive to be done injustly

I don't think appealing bans should be on the table if mods work for free.

Everyone will be appealing bans if that's the case.

Rococo saw 3 people speeding, he's also working for free, he decided to just catch the dude going the fastest to limit his involvement. The other 2 got away with a warning. That's fair in my view.

I guess, but then I remember how trivially easy it is to avoid getting banned. I've been here longer than almost anyone. I've never been accused of holding my tongue or erring on the side of politeness. And I've never been banned. On one occasion more than a decade ago, a mod gave me a warning for evading the profanity filter.

Don't go completely crazy with the insults. Don't say a bunch of overtly racist or sexist stuff. Don't post in-line porn. Don't doxx people. Don't threaten to hurt people. Don't tell posters to kill themselves. And last but not least, let it go after the third or fourth time a mod asks you to let it go. That's it. That's all you have to do. Posters who follow those simple rules have little or nothing to worry about.

Luckbox is a perfect example of someone who knows how to avoid frequent or lengthy bans. He believes some things that others, to put it charitably, do not believe. He was told years and years ago by whoever the mod was at that time that a couple of topics were off limits. I'm sure he disagreed with that decision, but he acknowledged the decision and moved on. The bar is not high.

Holding your tongue, no, but I'd say you're always polite. There are plenty of polite ways of calling people idiots.

Some posters get very annoyed by bans. Including many who laugh at others who get annoyed about their bans.

Some minimal outlet in a mod thread is a very good idea imo.

The fact there is no way to talk to a mod during a ban is dumb

Yes.

PMs to mods should be open during bans

The fact that you guys think a mod wants to talk you during a ban is dumb.

But maybe you guys could sign up for the JButton post Tourettes ban exception program. I hear he's gaining a ton of support.

roc, it's obviously subjective, but if you think people have followed that guidance above and never been banned before then i highly suggest you review browsers most recent work

i once was given a month long ban for a single post, i got it not even reduced but wholly overturned that same day by creating an alt account and posting about it where other mods who were reasonable and not power hungry bishes would see it

you are one of the reasonable ones, so i think this clouds your judgement and makes it difficult for you to see just arbitrary some mods can be at times, you also have a very calm temperament and never joke around so the probability of being caught on a bad day or a mod misunderstanding the nature of your post is basically zero

there's a lot of people i think would make amazing mods but we all know that even if they wanted the role, would never have it offered to them simply because of their personality

I wasn't mad during my last ban but did want to talk to a mod about the unfair length of it

Luckily you all went to bat for me and i didn't have to!!

I am offended. Most of my posts over the last few days have been about running over people with steamrollers.