Israel/Palestine thread

Jordan made them citizens. Then took the citizenship away and didn't allow them as refugees

Yeah, but it should actually be administered by the UN or Denmark or something.

Does anyone give a **** about anything she has to say?

There's a lot of unfairness in the world. That's not an excuse to be unfair. And it's not just Palestinians in the WB from that time, but still there are something like 2 million Palestinians in Jordan who are not citizens and don't necessarily have the right to work. Jordan also took a huge number of Syrian refugees who are in a similar situation. Unfairness everywhere, but again, that's not an excuse to be unfair yourself.

The United Nations (UN) was to administer Jerusalem under the 1947 Partition Plan for Palestine, also known as United Nations Resolution 181. The plan called for the city to be a corpus separatum, or "separate entity", governed by a special international regime. The Trusteeship Council was to carry out the responsibilities of the Administering Authority on behalf of the UN.

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That didn't happen because the arab nations rejected the plan and jordan took over Jerusalem and that was that. All of this only all of the sudden became "occupied " when Israel took over

Amazingly I've never seen a huge demonstration at any Us college about how Jordan has had Palestinians in camps for 80 years. You know why? Cause antisemites pretending to be pro Palestinian don't care what the **** jordan does to Palestinians. Cause it isn't about the Palestinians. It's about the awful Jews

Might have happened if it were 1973 instead of 1948. It seems like there was a lot of concern over the area in 1948 from the West, but it was really back page news. US and the West didn't really do much in any concrete terms until the oil crisis, when fortress Israel aligned with Western foreign policy.

That's not right, not for most of the people we're talking about anyway. There is something to what Rafiki said: "Jews are too white for the left and too brown for the right" or something to that effect. That's why the left protests Israel and not Jordan or Egypt or Saudi Arabia. It's because Israelis are seen as Western.

Like, you remember how important it was to PW that he could identify Israelis as white?

How many hospitals did Jordan drop 1,000 lb bombs on?

Trolly these issues existed before Oct 7th, or before 1000 lb bombs existed. None of this is new.

We're just doing today's flavor.

None that I know, but Israel has been consistently (and correctly) protested for decades. The same isn't true with Jordan which has problems and even in Yemen it's the USA that's protested and not Saudi Arabia.

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We are gonna be in the region, Israel and the US. F the whoever opposes it.

Syria did do all the things. Nobody really cared. Because the Syrians are rocking the brown on brown version.

Nobody really minds till you swap a side for Jews.

This has been explained to you repeatedly, but you just go back to the hasbara script.

Protestors try to influence their own government, which they presumably have democratic control over. We're not responsible for what Syria does in the way we are for what Israel does.

Is there any other country US protestors would have the moral responsibility to protest under your conditions? Or is it just Israel?

Now the aid passed congress so it's GREEN light go into rafah asap.

Kill every Hamas person you can, make the world a better place

Again, as you have pointed out, it's mostly not about being Jews from the left. It's about not being considered an oppressed or discriminated against minority.

And antisemitism is different in the US than most other racism/discrimination, though maybe similar to anti-Asian sentiment. It's not like people won't rent to you or give you a job, but there's a segment of the population that hates you and maybe wants you dead - and that comes from the right.

There's something to this, but it's also true that Saudi Arabia is in a very similar position to Israel. It is supported by the USA and it is involved in killing a lot of people - in Yemen for SA. But, the protests about this are mostly protesting the USA. No one marches with an anti-Saudi Arabia flag in the US. That's because they don't want to be thought of as racist.

Mostly. For some it is about hating Jews. Small percentage to be sure, but it's prolly double-digits.

I think most Muslim activists are motivated by tribal/religious animosity. And their marriage with the western far left on this topic is one of a perceived common enemy, and not any shared ideological commitment.

However, we saw how the western left responded to Serbia and South Africa; so Micro's analysis that Israeli Jews are serving as an avatar for "white oppressors" to the western left is probably more correct.

Calling it "white oppressors" is being overly-sensitive. It's not about hating white people it's about being reluctant to criticize non-white people. If you want to protest war and violence, but are reluctant to do it when the violent parties are not white because you are afraid of being lumped in with the RWNJs, then it's going to appear like you are anti-white, but that doesn't make it true.

Do you think some of the people in this tread are motivated by tribal/religious animosity?

(I don't think animosity is right, but tribal is. Muslims recognize that Muslims have been attacked, the same applies to, as we say, members of the tribe.)

Given their (Muslim's) own actions and history, I would say there is an astonishingly low amount of self awareness if this is the case. In your estimation do most Muslims think they have carte blanche to do whatever they want to anyone else, but anything done back to them is an outrage that must be answered in the strongest way possible?

I would like to think that if Jews had spent most of the last 1400 years conquering 1/4 of the world, with innumerable atrocities along the way, AND this was still ongoing, there would be some self awareness that there might be some blowback, and it might be completely justified.

No one gets any awareness from what happened 1400 years ago.

Sounds like you're describing about 90% of Americans. I think Muslims are like other people and also that there's a big diversity. A Bangladeshi footservant probably thinks very differently than his Saudi Lord.

But, and perhaps this is slightly unusual given my advanced age, I don't recall ever knowing a Muslim person very well. 38 years ago I had a summer job where all the employees except for me were Palestinians and the owners were Israeli. That's the most personal exposure I can recall.