Israel/Palestine thread
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Fundamental Christians do not want to expel jews from isreal in this lifetime
They want to be able to visit Bethlehem and Jerusalem, which they could not do from 1948-1967, and they want the Jews to control Jerusalem so their messiah can return. They aren't trying to kick jews out wtf are you talking about
Zionism is the notion that Jews should go to Judea, homeland, make Aliyah. What does it mean when a Christian is a Zionist? Of course they don't want to expel Jews from Israel, they want to expel Jews from the United States and expel us to Israel.
BGP don't even worry about the ADF, the FBI has it off the charts too
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/31/politics/...
FBI director: Antisemitism reaching ‘historic level’ in US
“In fact, our statistics would indicate that for a group that represents only about 2.4% of the American public, they account for something like 60% of all religious-based hate crimes,” Wray said of the Jewish American population.
Think
We know FBI isn't going to be a credible source though!
Seriously though, that really is staggering. Imo it should be pretty clear that campuses are less safe for both Palestinians and Jews at the moment.
Pretty soon we're going to hear Victor talking about how Israel is secretly run by Jews.
Seriously though, that really is staggering. Imo it should be pretty clear that campuses are less safe for both Palestinians and Jews at the moment.
I think that's true, but as rational men it would be nice to see actual data on this from an org that doesn't have a history of conflating legitimate criticism of Israel with antisemitism.
Most physical injuries to Jewish and Palestinian students at the moment are being delivered by the police and it's not close.
So sensitive right???
“From the river to the sea” is just about freedom, not about wiping Israel out from the (Jordan) river to the (Mediterranean) sea.
“By any means necessary” doesn’t mean using violence. It’s about protesting peacefully about how great the resistance (Hamas) is.
“f**k Israel” means they just want to have sex with Israeli women (consentual, unlike Hamas and their rape).
“Go back to Poland you k***s” is just them wanting Jews to enjoy a vacation in Europe.
Really nothing to see here…
LOL. That headline couldn't be more dishonest if it tried.
What the Hamas leader actually said was that if Israel acceded to a laundry list of completely unreasonable demands that are non starters, it would adhere to a 5 year truce (which it probably wouldn't anyways).
I think that's true, but as rational men it would be nice to see actual data on this from an org that doesn't have a history of conflating legitimate criticism of Israel with antisemitism.
Fair enough. That was the only source I could find with a before and after October 7 comparison.
so are they scared or do they not give a ****? my bias is to stop killing mostly innocent gazans especially with US funds.
do you think they are lying because they are jewish? that seems harsh. i think they are mostly inflating the numbers with bullshit because it's self promotion of their cause and gets people to donate money to their organization. which is what any fundraising organization would do. so we shouldn't take their numbers as serious.
I think that's true, but as rational men it would be nice to see actual data on this from an org that doesn't have a history of conflating legitimate criticism of Israel with antisemitism.
So the next time a US politician/MSM source labels a domestic "right wing" group as a hate group citing the ADL, you will challenge this designation on the grounds the ADL cant be trusted, right?
I think that's true, but as rational men it would be nice to see actual data on this from an org that doesn't have a history of conflating legitimate criticism of Israel with antisemitism.
vic would claim he’s legitimately criticizing Israel, when anyone can see he just hates Jews.
They’re hardly mutually exclusive.
The amusing thing about the "Jewish safety" discussion that Microbet has already brought up, is that seeing how the police in the South are dealing with student protestors, most progressive American Jews (who tend to end up on the protesting side on pretty much every other issue) would probably feel more safe in Ivy League Universities dealing with the SJP crowd.
So the next time a US politician/MSM source labels a domestic "right wing" group as a hate group citing the ADL, you will challenge this designation on the grounds the ADL cant be trusted, right?
I will apply reasonable scrutiny to any claims any org puts out. The ADL has done tremendously good work in the past confronting racist creeps like you and I support that.
can someone explain to me how israeli jews can be considered a single ethnicity racially, their ancenstors lived separatedly for 1k++ years, unlike say egyptians arab ancestors .
Having the same religion isn't being an ethnostate (!!!).
But your refusal to show an ounce of sympathy towards what Jews are experiencing combined with your "they had seders so they cannot be antisemites" I'm beginning to think i gave you too much credit
I'm willing to be convinced of a wave of campus antisemitism. It's happened before. I just haven't seen the evidence. I've seen one case where somebody said we're all Hamas here, and even that was debatable.
There were quite a few large Seders; you've seen the pictures. I call that solid evidence that many Jews are not discomfited by the campus protests.
Edit: thought about your post some more. I understand that the issue is painful to your community. I'm sure many family Seders this week devolved into shouting, as there is a big generational gap. But I'm not going to oppose advocacy for Palestine over the pain.
How many Zionists do you think are not Jewish?
If you saw an increase in incidents towards a group that shares a 100% overlap with a group that you belong to, and those two groups are even confused quite often (as evidenced ITT), would you not be worried?
Was it delusional for Sikhs to be worried after 9-11 since they weren't Muslim?
Yes, it is reasonable to worry that anger over the Gaza offensive could bleed into antisemitism. But it needs to be tested against the evidence. There were actual assaults on Sikhs, so their fears were understandable. Have assaults happened to Jews on campus? I don't know of any.
West Bank and Gaza residents are denied citizenship in the state that rules over them. Fixing that would mean Israel no longer having a Jewish majority. Should people stop advocating for Palestinian rights because it makes Zionists uncomfortable? BGP, are you willing to throw Palestinians under the bus over this?
can someone explain to me how israeli jews can be considered a single ethnicity racially, their ancenstors lived separatedly for 1k++ years, unlike say egyptians arab ancestors .
Having the same religion isn't being an ethnostate (!!!).
Race is bullshit so it's not surprising that it's not logical, but why am I guaranteed citizenship in Israel even though I'm an atheist?
Race is bullshit so it's not surprising that it's not logical, but why am I guaranteed citizenship in Israel even though I'm an atheist?
Cuz you're a Jewish Atheist. And if anti Semites, who aren't impressed with your Atheist status ever persecute you and your family to the point where you can't live in your country, you're guaranteed citizenship in the country which will give you the freedom to be a Jewish Atheist.
Cuz you're a Jewish Atheist. And if anti Semites, who aren't impressed with your Atheist status ever persecute you and your family to the point where you can't live in your country, you're guaranteed citizenship in the country which will give you the freedom to be a Jewish Atheist.
I get that, but your response doesn't make sense as a response to my post when you understand my post as a response to Lucium's now does it?
I'll try adding a little more value about the definition of Jews here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semit...
Sartre argued, at least in part, that it's the antisemite who defines the Jew.
do you think they are lying because they are jewish? that seems harsh. i think they are mostly inflating the numbers with bullshit because it's self promotion of their cause and gets people to donate money to their organization. which is what any fundraising organization would do. so we shouldn't take their numbers as serious.
You don't get sarcasm i guess
The fbi is lying too ib guess?
Cuz you're a Jewish Atheist. And if anti Semites, who aren't impressed with your Atheist status ever persecute you and your family to the point where you can't live in your country, you're guaranteed citizenship in the country which will give you the freedom to be a Jewish Atheist.
Correct
Hitler considered you a jew. And you would have had nowhere to go. Thankfully there is now a safe place for you always. Well until you get your wish and there is no Jewish State
