S-Points: Vegas Summer Tournament Structure Analysis
Every year I update my site with structure data from all the Vegas summer poker tournament series and calculate S-Points so you can determine how good/bad all the structures are. I don't want to hijack other threads or start a new one every year, so from now on I will just post here whenever I update my site with data from all the tournament series in Vegas every year.
I just uploaded the data from the 4 casinos that have released structure sheets:
https://www.rainbowspuppiessunshine.com/...
As always, let me know of any mistakes I made, questions you have and links to the stragglers' structure sheets when they release them.
38 Replies
Thx PLOG
So far I only have WSOP and Venetian structures. If anyone has links to other series, please post them in this thread as the become available.
So awesome. Thanks!
Here’s a link I found.
Just want to say you're doing an awesome job. It's my go to every time I go to the WSOP since I am usually knocked out on day one and looking for something else to play, lol. If I could make one suggestion it would be to add a column for the guarantee should the tournament have one. I always have to look it up for my group once I dump your file into Excel and I figure if you have the structure, you will also have any guarantees. Thanks.
Plog thanks again for all you do. FWIW The Orleans have said on twitter they will post their structures Monday....I'm not holding my breath...but wanted to make you aware.
It's always something with these tournaments--The Orleans schedule and structure files have no dates. When does that thing start and end? That's rhetorical--I don't want answers from you guys, I want them from The Orleans. Until they put it on their site and/or their files, I'm not doing anything with the Orleans.
For David Koresh's sake, the files are named 'Orleans Poker Schedule April 2024' and 'Orleans Poker Structure April 2024', which implies its just for their daily tournaments in April. Get it together.
PLOG I agree with you .
Any way 80 to 90% players visiting Las Vegas during WSOP are mainly interested for S points of WSOP tournaments and few others namely Venetian, Golden Nuggets, Aria etc
Maybe I’m having user error but I only see 2023 tournaments on your site. What am I doing wrong?
Maybe I’m having user error but I only see 2023 tournaments on your site. What am I doing wrong?
You're not bugging the casinos with 2024 tournaments to release their structures.
My site will switch to 2024 when 4 casinos have structures and schedules out or on 5/14. Whichever is earlier. So, 5/14.
I noticed one of the links that shows the tournaments and the S points rating also shows the level the ITM bubble will be reached. how is this determined ?
Example is the WSOP millionaire maker shows for 15% will be level 2500 5000. How is this determined ?
Previous data but also how tournaments all tend to run with standard structures, starting chips, level lengths. If its short handed or full ring. There's some variance but less so in big field events.
Its all a math problem with average BBs.
It looks like the structures for the Orleans summer schedule are now available in poker atlas.
Plog, for seniors on 6/28 at WSOP your points are 44 but on 7/5 WSOP they are 35. I believe they have the same structure.
!!!
Where are you looking at ?
2023 ?
Plog, for seniors on 6/28 at WSOP your points are 44 but on 7/5 WSOP they are 35. I believe they have the same structure.
Ha ha, this is all kinds of screwed up. First, to everyone else--yes this is 2023 data, my site will switch to 2024 data whenever I get 4 casinos worth of structures (only have Venetian and WSOP right now) or 5/14.
Second RedOak is right, I screwed up the 6/28 Seniors event for 2023--it should have same structure as the 7/5/2023 seniors tournament. I also screwed up the 7/5/2023 seniors tournament with the wrong year--for the last 12 months its been listed as occuring on 7/5/2024. Both are now fixed:
https://www.rainbowspuppiessunshine.com/...
Of course, in 2 days this data will no longer be publicly available on my site because the 2024 data will replace it--but it is now right. Side note--I don't actually delete the data, if anyone wants past data, I'm more than happy to pull it for you. I have it going back to 2015.
Weird, when I click the link here, it still gave the "Coming Soon" PDF, then I went to Wynn's site and clicked it, and it's updated. Maybe a cache issue for me, but anyone else with the problem, try that.
Id actually be interested in it to track how rake has increased and differences between venues vs structures.
Theres some price points that have been "sticky". E.g. a 1100 has been 970+130 for a long time at a lot of venues.
WSOP did 10% for 1000/1500s for a long time until they moved to 11% and now 12% for 1000s.
My site is switched over to 2024:
https://www.rainbowspuppiessunshine.com/...
Just have Venetian, WSOP and Wynn so far. Let me know as the others get their crap together. Also let me know of any errors I've made.
thank you for your work plog as always
Looks like the Orleans and Aria schedules are out now.
I'll work on Orleans now. But Aria doesn't even mention a series:
https://aria.mgmresorts.com/en/casino/po...
I'm allergic to facebook, twitter and any other third party site for getting structures. If they can't get it up on their own site, then screw them.
Good work. Also, cute URL!