Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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What if he's on a diet and posting itt helps him keep fit?
It's true that a published and well-known tactic of certain internet forum groups, usually far right, is to dispute obviously true statements so that people have to waste their time researching links.
I hope this thread isn't going in that direction, though I fear the worst and urge lighter moderation because the lesser of two evils is allowing one adult to tell another they're lying, just as they do in real life.
there are numerous articles about this.
here you go.
If Israelis are dying at the rates you suggest and hundreds of Israeli tanks had been destroyed and nothing had been done about the tunnels and Hamas was as effective as you and rafiki suggest, Victor, there would be Hamas boots on the ground in Tel Aviv right now.
Are the Spanish in Seville "brown" or "white"?
Clue: "white" people aren't actually white (and "black" people aren't actually black).
The Spanish in general are regarded as white, and there's still lots of white Muslims, what actual point are you trying to make here? The issue was whether or not it was racist to call Hamas terrorists due to Palestinians being "brown people" apparently. This is bullshit, regardless of whatever spin you're trying to put on things and whatever other tangents you go off on. Palestinians consist of different ethnicities and Muslims of several different races.
Hamas aren't being decreed as terrorists due to them being Muslim or "brown people" it's because they're effin terrorists. This is blindingly simple.
If Israelis are dying at the rates you suggest and hundreds of Israeli tanks had been destroyed and nothing had been done about the tunnels and Hamas was as effective as you and rafiki suggest, Victor, there would be Hamas boots on the ground in Tel Aviv right now.
I dont think that is their objective right now. all they need to do is stay alive and continue picking off tanks, bulldozers, and troops. all indications are that such efforts have not diminished at all and in fact have creatively evolved.
I dont think that is their objective right now. all they need to do is stay alive and continue picking off tanks, bulldozers, and troops. all indications are that such efforts have not diminished at all and in fact have creatively evolved.
I doubt that they are so indifferent to the deaths of civilians in Gaza that they would allow Israel to remain on the offensive if they could possibly mount any serious offensive attack.
I doubt that they are so indifferent to the deaths of civilians in Gaza that they would allow Israel to remain on the offensive if they could possibly mount any serious offensive attack.
ofc they cant mount an offensive attack. that would be ludicrous. they can pick off things very efficiently with their home developed weapons.
and I appreciate that you agree they are not indifferent to Gazan deaths. their defense of Shifa during the second attack proved this. for months they let had let the Israeli's attack hospitals and commit unspeakable atrocities on the most vulnerable civilians. that time they stepped up and went after the enemy. it may have been misguided given the mass graves of civilians found afterward surely in retribution to the resistance shown.
Modern textbooks list Israel as the occupying white state and Palestinians as brown people
Pw says he can tell any Palestinian apart from an Israeli because Israelis are white and Palestinians are not in his opinion
You are actually not telling the truth. My bet has always been we get pictures of 500 Israeli citizens and 500 Palestinian citizens and that I will be able to distinguish which are which within a reasonable degree of certainty
The Spanish in general are regarded as white, and there's still lots of white Muslims, what actual point are you trying to make here?
2CV, I thought the point I was making was clear: that when talking about political conflict terms like "white" have **** all to do with someone's actual skin colour and everything to do with the history of that society.
looks like Biden is about to sacrifice 20 US doctors at the altar of Zionism
vote blue no matter who
The Spanish in general are regarded as white, and there's still lots of white Muslims, what actual point are you trying to make here? The issue was whether or not it was racist to call Hamas terrorists due to Palestinians being "brown people" apparently. This is bullshit, regardless of whatever spin you're trying to put on things and whatever other tangents you go off on. Palestinians consist of different ethnicities and Muslims of several
No
Calling one side terrorists and not the other is racist when you’re holding the indigenous people to the higher standard
You need to call Israelis terrorists as well for it not to be racist when you call Palestinians terrorists. Or Hamas or whatever you choose.
Double standards that exist solely because of where someone was born/ what ethnicity they are are racist.
2CV, I thought the point I was making was clear: that when talking about political conflict terms like "white" have **** all to do with someone's actual skin colour and everything to do with the history of that society.
Right so stuff just means whatever one wishes it to mean regardless of facts? Is PW correct so? It's racist to call Hamas terrorists cuz they're brown people? Even if they aren't brown people, as brown has FA to do with their actual skin colour and stuff means whatever you say it means?
...Okay.
Again that’s not what I said
It’s racist to only call Palestinians terrorists when Israel is commiting more terrorism than they are accusing the Palestinians of.
This happens in every conflict and it’s why you can’t call Asian people [edited] or [edited] etc.
We called middle easterners [edited]
No
Calling one side terrorists and not the other is racist when you’re holding the indigenous people to the higher standard
You need to call Israelis terrorists as well for it not to be racist when you call Palestinians terrorists. Or Hamas or whatever you choose.
Double standards that exist solely because of where someone was born/ what ethnicity they are are racist.
Oh. I see. Well when you put it like that in such absolutely clear and not garbled at all in the slightest terms, maybe I am a dirty racist for regarding the perpetrators of the Oct 07 massacre as terrorists. As they're indigenous, unlike Jews. who lived in Palestine before the state of Israel came into being. Oh and of course Palestinians (except the Palestinian Jews) being brown people.
Or... maybe you're just plain wrong like you always are?
Ok, PLEASE do not type out ethnic slurs, even as examples of offensive terms. I'm begging you guys.
Ok good point I’m sorry about that.
My main point is that racism should be allowed here and just let us argue over it.
If you say no racism, well, you’re gonna have a hard time.
Oh. I see. Well when you put it like that in such absolutely clear and not garbled at all in the slightest terms, maybe I am a dirty racist for regarding the perpetrators of the Oct 07 massacre as terrorists. As they're indigenous, unlike Jews. who lived in Palestine before the state of Israel came into being. Oh and of course Palestinians (except the Palestinian Jews) being brown people.
Or... maybe you're just plain wrong like you always a
European Jews are not indigenous to Israel. Did you think they were?
Again that’s not what I said
It’s racist to only call Palestinians terrorists when Israel is commiting more terrorism than they are accusing the Palestinians of.
This happens in every conflict and it’s why you can’t call Asian people [edited] or [edited] etc.
We called middle easterners [edited]
Well I'll make sure not to call Asian people [edited] or [edited] etc. I feel really irate that middle easterners were also called [edited] anyone who does that is a dirty [edited] [edited] [edited] [edited] mfrng [edited] piece of [edited] [edited] degenerate cu[edited] who prolly likes [edited][edited], just so y'know.
Anyway... Any other pearls of opaque wisdom you wanna throw my way?
