Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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the settlers... if CNN says its a genocide, its probably a genocide.
oh I think its from the documentary Tantura. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt16378034/
some pretty chilling remarks in there but he doesnt say they raped her to complete death.
yes that could be the one
it was a twitter post you linked.
Antisemites don't want to participate unless they can call Jews Nazis
If your goal is to get anyone who doesn't hate Jews to leave you may succeed
I have requested multiple times since this thread reopened that posts like the above not be made. This needs to Stop.
The next post like this from *anyone* is going to result in timeouts from the thread.
Do Not call each other antisemites and nazis.
Please don’t ban Mets. His posting is very important as it allows us to discuss topics we wouldn’t otherwise
No not just that, I clearly outlined my reasons earlier
Israel didn't have a Wansee conference or a death camp like Sobibor or Auschwitz or Treblinka. Israeli doctors never conducted Mengele like experiments on Palestinians, or made Palestinians were yellow crescents.
Such comparisons certainly trivialise the Holocaust.
They have a death camp called GAZA
No they don't but I get you're big on hyperbole.
Israeli's beat the **** out of a truck driver bc they thought he was delivering aid to Gaza. he was supposedly going to the WB. they then destroyed the truck contents. last I checked, no arrests.
It's why I said sections and you know damn well such a comparison isn't apt. And why do all Jewish people have to be offended as if they're a hive mind like The Borg? It's offensive to some of the Jewish community and more specifically some of the posters itt , not all of them Jews either, so why even go there to begin with unless your intention is to at best antagonise and at worse have a sly dig? Either way it's bad faith arguing which we
Most of the Jewish community. It's offensive to MOST of it.
I have requested multiple times since this thread reopened that posts like the above not be made. This needs to Stop.
The next post like this from *anyone* is going to result in timeouts from the thread.
Do Not call each other antisemites and nazis.
I'd like to point out that typically when people call Jews Nazis, we immediately call them antisemites. Because frankly it's one of the most horrific things you can say to a Jew. So consider the context like that and you'll discover we have a very easy path to peace in here...
Whatever well-intentioned bigbrains like Einstein thought, and whatever the Balfour Declaration said about the Jewish national homeland being established without prejudice to the rights of the native Arab population, Zionism follows its founder, Herzl, who in The Jewish State in 1896 clearly argued for Jewish supremacy in Palestine.
The Arabs were beneath consideration and were simply supposed to go away. Herzl was interested in the way the
Here's some logic for you 57. If I contend something does exist, I can prove it with example(s). If you contend that something does not exist, you cannot prove that with example(s). Herzl is one example and sure, he's important in Zionist history, but so is Einstein and even moreso...picking an example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_..., the founder of Hadassah.
Yes, it is. The point is not that Nazis are especially bad, which of course they are, but that you are saying, hey, you know those people who literally killed your Great-Uncle and Aunt? When a black person is being cruel to an employee, you don't call them Simon Legree unless you are literally asking them, and any other black person who overhears it, to fight you. There are plenty of other bad people to be compared to. Stalin and Mao come to mind, but if you don't want to dis communists, there's still South Africa or USA killing Native Americans.
well is it ok for a Gazan to make the comparison? considering that Israel killed their Great Uncle and Aunt? and at this point probably their kids, cousins, brothers and sisters too.
She's right and it's sad that some people embrace being tokenized, turned into mascots.
Between comparing this war to the Nazi's systemematic mass extermination of the Jews, and the battle for Manila in 1945, I think the second is a closer comparison.
100,000 non-combatants died in the battle for Manila. it was a siege situation like this one. The surface areas were comparable enough. The density of combatants and non-combatants very similar. The Japanese had over 1000 hostages. The Japanese used non-combatants as human shields. I'd say that's probably where most of the comparisons end, because the Japanese were much more barbaric than Hamas. But situationally that horror show of a siege is very similar. And it's considered one of the true human tragedies (as wars go), as this too will be.
But on Oct 7th, Israel was invaded by in excess of 4000 armed terrorists, under the cover of at least 3000 missiles. That is an act of war by any standard, and war has come. That day, Sinwar made a choice for all of Gaza. We're all just living out his sick fantasy now.
Yes, it is. The point is not that Nazis are especially bad, which of course they are, but that you are saying, hey, you know those people who literally killed your Great-Uncle and Aunt? When a black person is being cruel to an employee, you don't call them Simon Legree unless you are literally asking them, and any other black person who overhears it, to fight you. There are plenty of other bad people to be compared to. Stalin and Mao co
I don't mind dissing Stalin, but that would be a poor comparison imo. Crushing dissent isn't the aim in Gaza, just a determination to eradicate Gazans under the pretext that they might have been in a similar area to someone who may or may not have been in Hamas.
Mao doesn't work either.
Native American genocide was too long ago to upset people now and some probably even quietly think it was a good thing because they're rich as a result of it. Same with Maoris and Aboriginals.
Apartheid sort of describes the separation under duress and restriction of rights but not the months of rocket attacks and the decades of sheling, shooting and killing before October.
Maybe there's no suitable analogy.
well is it ok for a Gazan to make the comparison? considering that Israel killed their Great Uncle and Aunt? and at this point probably their kids, cousins, brothers and sisters too.
I didn't say anything about 'ok'. Is it ok to offend people? to be offensive? to ask people to fight?
The Nazis have nothing to do with it though. The only point is to offend. One might as well say "I want to offend you" or "I want to provoke you" or "I want to hurt you" or "I want to fight you" and leave it at that.
I don't mind dissing Stalin, but that would be a poor comparison imo. Crushing dissent isn't the aim in Gaza, just a determination to eradicate Gazans under the pretext that they might have been in a similar area to someone who may or may not have been in Hamas.
Mao doesn't work either.
Native American genocide was too long ago to upset people now. Same with Maoris and Aboriginals.
Maybe there's no suitable analogy.
Nazis were 70 years ago and Native American genocide was more or less wrapping up like 110 years ago. Not that big a difference.
South Africa is def the best analogy and it's also more recent.
