Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Which snowflakes do you think got extreme right winger Luciom banned?
Btw, Victor was the biggest crybaby I have ever seen in this forum when I called him a mean word.
Btw are Luciom and Victor, gone gone?
Not just temp'd?
I find this hard to believe
People are worried about a month for Victor?
After the millionth infraction, a month is cake here. He'll be back to his old tricks in no time. A month is running very very good.
It's a month because one of our moderators decided that he deserved it, even though he can't point to any specific post that Victor made. That's not something that anyone should be ok with.
Lmao you right wing snowflakes really got Victor banned because your fragile pathetic minds couldn't handle someone calling you out?
'Wahhh mom this guy is calling me mean words just because I said I love genocide, please ban him'
Never underestimate the sheer patheticness of right wingers. Anyway have fun with your little pro genocide eco chamber, just know that everyone else thinks you are losers in here. Bye.
Luciom went to his room for 24 hours because he bragged about his love for bending rules as an Italian, and then proceeded to bend the personal attacks rule in a not so clever way. He also the same day had advocated for "unlimited violence". After checking his user notes, I decided a short timeout would be beneficial for him and others.
Can we leverage EU law somehow to forcefully reveal everyone's user notes?
Euros: do your thing.
But what world view takes the way a person posts on an internet forum, and decides what his family and friends in another country are like?
I can understand perhaps making assumptions about something like parents or a spouse. But that's a pretty mighty sized leap to take otherwise. Between every friend, business associate, and family member in NYC, I never had one come to me with the chickens/roost theory. I can't really figure any ties tha
Like I said, different worlds. Not one I knew wanted blood and I’m born and raised there. It doesn’t take much sophistication to understand that throwing rocks at a hornets nest might get you stung, regardless of any justification.
being a victim gives you the complete moral justification to do absolutely anything to completely destroy your opponent with no recourse, in my model. unlimited violence as a victim is fully justified at any cost until you fully guarantee your enemy is completely destroyed (every single one of them is dead). that's my ethos.
you touch me, you are dead
That’s all well and good but this is exactly the logic of terrorists. You don’t have any grounds for moral outrage if this is your logic.
It's a month because one of our moderators decided that he deserved it, even though he can't point to any specific post that Victor made. That's not something that anyone should be ok with.
You didn't address my comments about him breaking the rules nearly every single day. Do you disagree that he has done that? I could point to hundreds of specific posts if it were necessary.
You didn't address my comments about him breaking the rules nearly every single day. Do you disagree that he has done that? I could point to hundreds of specific posts if it were necessary.
Victor was banned multiple times during Browser's reign and you're acting like he was completely unmoderated prior to now.
He has never gone a day without deliberately breaking the rules, any of which should have been enough to ban him given his history. Why is there a need to wait for the single over the top post? IMO one 10/10 out of line post isn't nearly as bad as many 7/10 bad posts every single day.
Because of posts like this:
It's a month because one of our moderators decided that he deserved it, even though he can't point to any specific post that Victor made. That's not something that anyone should be ok with.
I mean, of course we don't have to live in LuckboxWorld where apparently moderation action is only acceptable if there's one specific post it's based on. Just the same, taking the "lifetime achievement" approach can be contentious at times, even when it is warranted. That's the difficult thing about posters who constantly dance around the line of what is likely to get them banned, and what to do with them. But at some point, moderators decide enough is enough.
Victor was banned multiple times during Browser's reign and you're acting like he was completely unmoderated prior to now.
Ah, a history of getting banned, you say? Hmm, I wonder if there's any possibility that could have been a factor here?
If you want to make a case that Victor's constant use of rhetoric, attacks, etc. should be tolerated, go for it. Maybe you think his positives outweigh his negatives. Or that he's no worse than others who are permitted to continue. Or that we should be fine with the worst of his rhetoric. While I may not agree, I can at least understand those arguments. But this whole 'you can't show us a post that got him banned...gotcha!' and 'a mod said he was waiting for a post to ban him for...gotcha!' nonsense is a waste of time.
And to be perfectly clear, those last two quotes aren't actual quotes, but my own summaries of sentiments I saw being expressed.
Maybe you think his positives outweigh his negatives. Or that he's no worse than others who are permitted to continue.
this is obvious, yes
But this whole 'you can't show us a post that got him banned...gotcha!' and 'a mod said he was waiting for a post to ban him for...gotcha!' nonsense is a waste of time.
we get it, the mods hate him and that's all there is to it. unlike all these other clowns around here...
a month is ridiculous when everyone else gets a slap on the wrist, at worst
this is obvious, yes
we get it, the mods hate him and that's all there is to it. unlike all these other clowns around here...
a month is ridiculous when everyone else gets a slap on the wrist, at worst
Did you notice that everyone else (correctly) thinks that Victor has gotten away with more rule breaking than any other poster in the forum? I figured that the mods must love him.
Maybe just don't be a war loving monster and then no one has to worry about Victor? I feel like that should be considered.
If you mean that those things are true, I suspect you'd get some disagreement on that. If you mean it's obvious that Luckbox believes that, I'm not so sure; I don't think he's really given an opinion.
Past history would show that to be untrue. If the mods truly hated him enough to ban him for it, he'd have had much worse much sooner.
unlike all these other clowns around here...
a month is ridiculous when everyone else gets a slap on the wrist, at worst
Of this, I couldn't be a fair judge, as I don't read the threads he seems to have the most involvement in.
I mean this honestly. What would Jesus say? Would he say Victor is wrong for sticking up for the victims of war? Or would he say you guys are wrong for silencing him? Or would he say Victor is in the wrong?
Did you notice that everyone else (correctly) thinks that Victor has gotten away with more rule breaking than any other poster in the forum? I figured that the mods must love him.
Maybe you could show us an example of this rule breaking?
All we hear is rule breaking!
Show us and then we could talk about it... but since you guys have been asked to show us many times for days and you never showed us anything. U probably got nothing.
You been asked for days now.
WTF???
