Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Maybe not, but if so, that should be clarified.
Of course in that case bigotry against people who are members of any group with a strong belief system shouldn't be allowed. No assuming that someone is a bad person or prone to any violent acts just because he is member of the KKK. You know, true believers in white supremacy only believe in peaceful means to keep other races down. They don't all believe in lynching young black men.
It is completely ridiculous that people professing a religious belief system are considered to be a protected class. Most religions are effectively hate groups. Certainly the big 3 western religions are, as seen by all the evil deeds advocated in the bible and the koran.
Maybe not, but if so, that should be clarified.
Of course in that case bigotry against people who are members of any group with a strong belief system shouldn't be allowed. No assuming that someone is a bad person or prone to any violent acts just because he is member of the KKK. You know, true believers in white supremacy only believe in peaceful means to keep other races down. They don't all believe in lynching young black men.
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Last time i used this kind of argument you said i was mistaken
Is it considered transphobic to say something positive about people transitioning in the other direction?
If I am walking alone through a dark alley at night, I would sure prefer to see a group of trans men walking towards me than to see a group of cis men.
I'm pretty sure that trans men are far less likely to attack and/or rob me. Go team trans! Transphilia for the win.
Touche! But I didn't say you were mistaken, just being counterproductive. I probably should have used a different comparison, but this white supremacy thing has been etched into my brain from the earlier discussion.
We can try using billionaires instead of white supremacists. I don't think generalized insults toward billionaires would be moderated the same as generalized insults towards members of a religion or ethnicity.
Or even we could use "CEOs of fossil fuel companies"
It is completely ridiculous that people professing a religious belief system are considered to be a protected class. Most religions are effectively hate groups. Certainly the big 3 western religions are, as seen by all the evil deeds advocated in the bible and the koran.
Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are ok then?
We can try using billionaires instead of white supremacists. I don't think generalized insults toward billionaires would be moderated the same as generalized insults towards members of a religion or ethnicity.
Or even we could use "CEOs of fossil fuel companies"
Billionaires aren't an ethnicity.
We can try using billionaires instead of white supremacists. I don't think generalized insults toward billionaires would be moderated the same as generalized insults towards members of a religion or ethnicity.
Or even we could use "CEOs of fossil fuel companies"
Billionaires aren't an ethnicity or a religion.
Some parts of some countries are certainly ethnicities. I (and I suspect you also) don't have enough knowledge of Texans to get involved in this silliness.
Hopefully you don't all get to the point where the mods decide it's not OK to dunk on imaginary sky friends any more.
They're ok with me, if they are based on religious beliefs. But anti-semitism is usually defined by hatred of ethnic Hebrews, regardless of whether or not they practice Judaism.
There is a reason it's not called "anti-Judaism". I am certainly anti-Islam, anti-Judaism, and anti-Christian. Islamophobia is a silly term, but I do not believe that have a phobia (irrational fear) of Islam. I have a rational fear of those who practice the same religion as those who, in the name of that religion, crashed a plane into a large building a mile from my house. I am not anti-Hebrew or anti-Arab.
I have a rational fear of those who practice the same religion as those who, in the name of that religion, crashed a plane into a large building a mile from my house.
While not wishing to demean this bad experience I don't think that's at all a rational fear.
Irish republicans blew up a building a mile from where I was living and my bedroom shook with the blast, but being scared of Irish republicans would be ridiculous.
It's probably rational to be cautious about interactions with most people, more so if they're religious or in a cult because they probably have irrational beliefs. I'm not scared of every Christian or Muslim, but more cautious because they are likely by definition irrational. In the US, there orders of magnitude more dangerous Christians than any other religion, so I'm far more worried about them than any Muslim.
While not wishing to demean this bad experience I don't think that's at all a rational fear.
Irish republicans blew up a building a mile from where I was living and my bedroom shook with the blast, but being scared of Irish republicans would be ridiculous.
Was that back in the 70s or 80s? I'd say it would be reasonable to have a fear of that group and want to keep them away from explosives. The IRA did a disproportionate amount of terrorism in the UK during that time period.
While they haven't hit me as close to home, I also have (what I consider to be) a rational fear of American white Christian nationalists who stockpile weapons and practice warfare in the woods.
Neither of these fears rule my life, but I do want to try to prevent them by (almost) any means necessary.
Early 90s.
Plenty of Irish republicans in London, ~none of them terrorists. It would have been highly irrational to fear Irish republicans. The parallel with Muslims is very clear.
