Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Speaking about Americans only is a mistake on an international forum where you also have people from the UK, Germany, Russia etc. (Sorry if I forgot anyone).
None of those places have anyone alive today who participated in historical wrongs against black people either. You mentioned SA because that is the only place a racial system existed in our lifetimes. There is no need to have rules for the rest of the world based on that anamoly.
Again, you're making the mistake of assuming that your definition of "Asian" means a damn thing to people outside the US, which it doesn't.
We don't use that term here when we can use Indian or Chinese or Pakistani etc instead, which as well as being meaningful also benefits from not insulting people by lumping every person in a huge continent into one basket despite them having very little in common.
So when you say "Asian", can you be more specific?
I don't know of any modern or historical incidences of black people being oppressed by Asians. Does that mean Asians should be allowed to say bad things about blacks?
So to take you literally, many Africans were taken as slaves by people in Asia as part of the East African slave trade. Not sure why you think I would think that would mean it's ok for "Asians" to say bad things about black people.
Not the ones who "historically" did things, which was in your statement.
I interpret that phrase to refer to times before anyone alive today was born.
There are no Americans alive today who owned slaves. There are almost none left who were old enough to be adults at the time Jim Crow was prevalent in the south, and those few will be dead within the next 10 years or so.
Great point. All of the people who owned slaves and got money from slaves are dead
After that we can bill people who have benefited from slavery and are still alive
But we never went back got the money from those people. We need to take it from their descendants. And charge interest
Great point. All of the people who owned slaves and got money from slaves are dead
After that we can bill people who have benefited from slavery and are still alive
But we never went back got the money from those people. We need to take it from their descendants. And charge interest
Fine with me - I'm not descended from any American slave owners, so don't come after me.
Again, you're making the mistake of assuming that your definition of "Asian" means a damn thing to people outside the US, which it doesn't.
We don't use that term here when we can use Indian or Chinese or Pakistani etc instead, which as well as being meaningful also benefits from not insulting people by lumping every person in a huge continent into one basket despite them having very little in common.
So when you say "Asian", can you be more
And again, you're just being deliberately obtuse.
Whatever, you apparently think anyone saying bad things about whites is fine, but anyone saying anything bad about blacks is bad. I strongly disagree, as do most people I know.
Again, you're making the mistake of assuming that your definition of "Asian" means a damn thing to people outside the US, which it doesn't.
We don't use that term here when we can use Indian or Chinese or Pakistani etc instead, which as well as being meaningful also benefits from not insulting people by lumping every person in a huge continent into one basket despite them having very little in common.
So when you say "Asian", can you be more
What? The word Asian is used in Britain all the time. It just admittedly has a different meaning than in the US. I did a quick google search and could pull pretty much unlimited BBC articles where the word "Asian" is used in the title as an ethnic identifier.
It is not considered insulting at all to use that term in the UK or USA; they just have different meanings. Bad faith post IMO.
Great point. All of the people who owned slaves and got money from slaves are dead
After that we can bill people who have benefited from slavery and are still alive
But we never went back got the money from those people. We need to take it from their descendants. And charge interest
Pw, ignoring literally everything else, what are some examples in your model of specifically who we should bill and where the govt should sacrifice in order to foot the bill for those who don't have the cash?
Peoples whose families owned plantations and have the same last name as registered owners of the plantations.
It should be optional to pay yourself. If you don’t wanna pay the govt pays
And the govt gets the money from the billionaires since they benefit more than anyone else from the sacrifices African Americans have made in American history/society.
And where that money would go ?
Optional reparation taxes, lol.
Don't know why you even bothered to say who should pay. Obviously no one is going to pay an optional tax. Then the reparations come from all tax payers, including people with no connection to slavery and even those descended from slaves.
Different amounts depending on how much your family was impacted and how destroyed/isolated you are from your genetic family after the govt kidnapping that took place.
Pretty hard to prove 150 years later .
A huge fraud incentive for many .
I wonder what will be the next cause following afterwards ….
Optional reparation taxes, lol.
Don't know why you even bothered to say who should pay. Obviously no one is going to pay an optional tax. Then the reparations come from all tax payers, including people with no connection to slavery and even those descended from slaves.
I promise you the billionaires will be fine and prob 1/4 of them are old money who def benefited immensely from slavery. And disproportionally. We could exclusively tax billionaires for this and the common man wouldn’t be negatively affected.
My family owned slaves. If I don’t want to pay reparations then people should know.
@monty, who cares if it’s hard. DNA testing is hard to fake.
I promise you the billionaires will be fine and prob 1/4 of them are old money who def benefited immensely from slavery. And disproportionally. We could exclusively tax billionaires for this and the common man wouldn’t be negatively affected.
My family owned slaves. If I don’t want to pay reparations then people should know.
@monty, who cares if it’s hard. DNA testing is hard to fake.
I wasn't laughing about the tax on millionaires, but the optional tax on those who benefitted from slavery.
And again, you're just being deliberately obtuse.
Whatever, you apparently think anyone saying bad things about whites is fine, but anyone saying anything bad about blacks is bad. I strongly disagree, as do most people I know.
Now that's just silly. Of course it's not fine to slate whites as a group because whites are diverse.
If you ask me if it's fine to slate white South Africans circa 1990 as a group I'd say that's generally ok.
What? The word Asian is used in Britain all the time. It just admittedly has a different meaning than in the US. I did a quick google search and could pull pretty much unlimited BBC articles where the word "Asian" is used in the title as an ethnic identifier.
It is not considered insulting at all to use that term in the UK or USA; they just have different meanings. Bad faith post IMO.
You're missing the point that "Asian" doesn't distinguish Chinese from Indian from Pakistani from ...
No person of Asian heritage here would appreciate you calling them Asian, or British Asian even. They'd want to be called British Indian, or British Chinese etc, whose communities have been here for many generations. In the US perhaps it's different where "Asian" was used when "Chinese" should have been used, and it's stuck despite the many people from the Indian subcontinent and Korea, Vietnam etc.
So stop accusing me of bad faith posting when the problem is elsewhere.
You're missing the point that "Asian" doesn't distinguish Chinese from Indian from Pakistani from ...
No person of Asian heritage here would appreciate you calling them Asian, or British Asian even. They'd want to be called British Indian, or British Chinese etc, whose communities have been here for many generations. In the US perhaps it's different where "Asian" was used when "Chinese" should have been used, and it's stuck despite the many
Clearly the US has superior Asians.
I promise you the billionaires will be fine and prob 1/4 of them are old money who def benefited immensely from slavery. And disproportionally. We could exclusively tax billionaires for this and the common man wouldn’t be negatively affected.
My family owned slaves. If I don’t want to pay reparations then people should know.
@monty, who cares if it’s hard. DNA testing is hard to fake.
And how would u link that dna to being from a family slave 150 years ago ?
Probably u will find some from big families knowing their history and have proofs but many wouldn’t .
And how would u link that dna to being from a family slave 150 years ago ?
Probably u will find some from big families knowing their history and have proofs but many wouldn’t .
EV wise right now nothing is happening. At least in my example victims of state kidnapping are getting compensation. Some is better than none.
My mom has a relative in Africa. It’s cause my mom’s people raped his family and they went back to Africa eventually. It’s not hard to find the roots of slavery
Now that's just silly. Of course it's not fine to slate whites as a group because whites are diverse.
If you ask me if it's fine to slate white South Africans circa 1990 as a group I'd say that's generally ok.
Didn't you say earlier that it was fine for black people to say whatever they want about white people because they were the oppressed class?
If not, I don't know what point you were arguing for.
