Israel/Palestine thread

Interesting. You think I'm not a "westerner"? How do you define that?

I asked your ethnicity (or multiple) and you didn't comment.

So what's your ethnicity (according to your definition of it)?

Place of birth matters very little per SE, but you talked about Africa as If you felt African identity, lived there a lot and so on, and that matters a lot.

It's none of your business. Maybe I don't have an ethnicity, the same as you say you don't?

So you will talk to people critical of the West only if in your eyes they have the right ethnicity?

I said Italian isn't an ethnicity (according to the normal use of the word) but everyone has an ethnicity (however mixed) according to my definition, it's just about doing a DNA test.

According to yours though it can be about culture, you don't have any culture(s) you identify to be a part of?

Anyway my point is just that when a westerner is anti west it's very different than when a non western is anti west. The latter is far less problematic to me

You believe ethnicity is 100% gene based?

Yes as do normal people (as per ample mainstream proof I provided), ethnicity is a synonym of ancestry in normal parlance.

So correct me if I'm wrong but when you say

and you asked my ethnicity (to decide whether you would discuss with me as you do with western people), it's gene-based?

No I asked yours explicitly according to your definition

Why would you be interested in my definition of ethnicity which you've consistently pooh-poohed when you can use your own which you believe is correct?

If I provide you with my DNA test results, can you use that instead?

Because in this case I am interested in the culture(s) you identify with. I could have simply asked for that, but for you that's a synonym of ethnicity so I used ethnicity.

I was trying to speak your language to you lol.

Depending on self identified culture arguments change a lot, while they don't on the basis of your interlocutor dna

I think I'm getting there. So if someone agrees with the dictionary definition of ethnicity (which includes culture) then you use that definition, but if they believe that ethnicity is 100% gene-based then you'll use that definition instead?

Apart from showing you have no real idea what you think ethnicity means, how do you know which definition someone's using when you ask them what their ethnicity is to determine whether you want to debate with them?

How does this work in real life (assuming you have one, which is debatable from your daily word count here)?

If you meet someone new, what criteria do you use to determine their ethnicity before engaging them in debate?

It was agreeing with another poster, and based on how actual Jews I know feel.

Friends and family doesn’t equal one person, as I said my dad left a long time ago.

You, of course, instantly said I was a liar, bc accuse the other side of what you do,

You used your “Jewish neighbor” as your sample.

Lastly, BOIDS said he isn’t visibly Jewish, as his experience can’t be compared with those who wear Kippahs and other Jewish garb.

So yes, it would be laughable if you weren’t so sad.

I cited several Jewish neighbours, not one "relative". Neither is very scientific but therein lies the difference.

A google search for most Jewish London area might have returned Golders Green but it clearly didn't show that there are Arabic families living there too. I don't know if/why your dad feels less safe, and if it's true then it's clearly bad but then again if he walks around London espousing the same views his son does online he should probably expect some pushback.

And there it is, the justification of Jew-hatred.

Also, I know reading comprehension is hard, but he doesn’t live there anymore. However, many relativeS (notice the ‘s’ at the end—that indicates PLURAL) still do.

In case you’re still confused, plural means more than one.

Nice edit too, good think I replied first.

Jews in my life are freaking out, almost regardless of where they live now. The shooting at the school in Toronto took a bunch of on edge folks and turned them into insomniacs. It's not good out there right now.

What's interesting is the Jews checking in on us the most are Israeli ones, asking if we're ok. Which is what I was trying to explain before.

Israel is the only place where you don't find the posters ripped down for example. Whatever the essence of that is, is what we were trying to explain pages back. The strength in numbers and community element matters in this context.

Yes, a good think would be a good idea.

Not much point in this any more. Your second hand account of AS on the streets of London lacks any credibility and was even refuted by a Jewish poster here, but isn't falsifiable.

Yep, in my haste I made a typo. Very rich coming from the guy who doesn’t know what an ‘s’ at the end of a word means.

Still waiting for your response to BOIDS not feeling uncomfortable bc he isn’t visibly Jewish? Or I assume you’ll just keep ignoring that.

My second hand account may not mean much, but this does:

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-reco...

In before jailfrezi says “shooting occurred before school started,” or “lol, you’re scared because posters are ripped down.”

I don't need ethnicity (in my sense) to debate, but using your definition, keep in mind i am in Italy. We have 8% foreign born in Italy and they are mostly poor. The normal conversation when meeting someone new is actually which neighborhood of my city they grew up in.

Ie upper middle class italians don't meet non italians on a daily basis to chat about stuff, they are just not in their circle of acquaintances that can become friends. They don't work with them as peers, they don't send kids in the same schools, they don't eat in the same restaurants and so on. So those encounters are infinitely more rare than say in London or Paris, even in Milan or Bologna. Just an example approx 100% of italian physicians are italians. almost 100% of professionals (accountants, financial advisors, lawyers, notaries and so on) are italian.

Only if you work in hospitality you meet immigrants regularly (say you sell wine to restaurants) as peers.

There are non-italians in my circle but they are mostly well integrated east-europeans, so we just don't debate ukraine, moldova, russia with them , not the same we would debate among us. They have a right to care about those topics infinitely more than us (some of them have actual family members on one side of the conflict, some on the other one) so we defer to that and that's it.

Also keep in mind italian isn't like english. It's almost impossible to speak it well enough to cover your country of origin (if foreign born and moved after 8-10y old), and almost every country has a different italian accent. When it's not countries it's well defined area (hard to be sure after 2 min if someone is from Morocco or Tunisia, but it's very very very very easy to tell they are northern africans for example, just by listening). It's actually very easy to know where they are from inside italy as well (but i think this is true in the UK as well), even decades after they moved.

So you basically pick up culture/country of origin within 1-2 minutes and you simply avoid debating stuff that is "hot" in that country unless they start talking about it first, and when they do you stay far less aggressive (italians do tend to debate very aggressively even in chitchat situations) than you would among italians because they have a right to care about it much more than we do.

I don't discuss french colonialism with northern africans, ukraine war with moldovans and so on (unless they start etc).