Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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They have lots of power in the GOP.
Come on say it - why don't you rail against bigoted Christians the way you rail against bigoted Muslims?
They have lots of power in the GOP.
Come on say it - why don't you rail against bigoted Christians the way you rail against bigoted Muslims?
Some christian bigots on the right are black in the USA, some prominent ones (just to clarify you are completely off the marks if you think this is racial).
And I feel genetically closer to northern Africans and Turks that I feel to finnish people , I am Italian not Teutonic.
And there is the detail that I am not legally allowed to ask for the deportation of bigot citizens while I am allowed to refuse the entrance of new bigots.
But if I could strip Italian trade cath and communists of citizenship and exile them I would
One of the point you are missing jalfrezi is the reason I hate Marxism is because I consider it a religion lol
When they will threaten my freedom or that of people I care about sure.
I am not a communist though so all my political effort is rationally selfish, I care about the stuff that I think materially makes my life better, and the lives of people I care about personally better.
Not about the Borg collective
I already rail against crazy anti-abortionists when it's useful
When they will threaten my freedom or that of people I care about sure.
I am not a communist though so all my political effort is rationally selfish, I care about the stuff that I think materially makes my life better, and the lives of people I care about personally better.
Not about the Borg collective
I already rail against crazy anti-abortionists when it's useful
How are ME Muslims threatening your freedom or that of people you care about in a way that bigoted Christians aren't?
How are ME Muslims threatening your freedom or that of people you care about in a way that bigoted Christians aren't?
Good question: they are being imported in large numbers in EU countries with abysmal results.
We won every fight in Italy against the catholic church basically.
The prime minister is a woman (already a big stretch for trad cath) with a out of marriage daughter.
A huge middle finger to bigots, and she is rightwing! Even a bigger middle finger.
Abortion is legal, divorce is legal, out of marriage children are fully parified under the law (they used to lose out on inheritance), catholic hour at school isn't mandatory anymore, homosexuals can kiss in public without being arrested (yes that was a thing 3-4 decades ago), shops can open on Sunday (yes they couldn't 20 years ago because you know, the church) and so on.
Killing your infidel wife is murder (it was manslaughter up to 30 years ago).
We won everything, they lost everything.
I don't want my daughter to fear for the rights we acquired for her because a new mass of people thinking like bigoted Italian from one century ago come in and vote against her rights ok?
you support trump who wants to ban abortion, among other things. should all republicans be deported somewhere? (yes)
Again stop telling me who i support. You obviously have no idea
That being said Trump was clear that he's against a federal ban
None of this is relevant
I'm asking if you prefer a bilateral state with no rights for women over a jewish state and why
Why are you against 2 states? If there are not terrorists running the Palestinian state they can freely come to Israel for women's health care
They have lots of power in the GOP.
Come on say it - why don't you rail against bigoted Christians the way you rail against bigoted Muslims?
I rail against when they try to stop teaching evolution in schools for one example
I'm not in favor of religion being the law in the USA
I'm happy Israel is what it is. I don't want those freedoms going away over night by making it a Muslim majority country
How would Israel become a Muslim majority country when there are only 5M Palestinians?
Because Israel is only 72% Jewish right now?
About 20% muslim 2% Christian 1.5% druze?
Muslims already are in the knesset and are citizens?
Your racist comment color chart aside... Israel is less than 1/3 white
Yes, I forgot about the 2M Arabs in Israel despite mentioning them earlier. Guess I have something in common with the Israeli regime after all.
One state solution is off the agenda anyway and has been a long time I guess.
Yes, I forgot about the 2M Arabs in Israel despite mentioning them earlier. Guess I have something in common with the Israeli regime after all.
One state solution is off the agenda anyway and has been a long time I guess.
Stop with the ignorant racist disgusting statements
Arab jews love Israel
Arab jews voluntarily join the idf
Israel does not forget its Arab population
Israel posts everything in hebrew English and ARABIC
Israel does not forget about its arab population so please stop the bigoted uninformed racist accusations
The Culture and Free Thought Association (CFTA) is a Palestinian NGO situated in Khan Younis, a city in the southern Gaza Strip. Their vision statement reads: “CFTA aspires to be a leading organizational contributor to civil society efforts to build a Palestinian society in which all citizens enjoy freedom, equality, and human rights.” They have received, along with other organizations, €481,773 from the European Union (EU) to support women’s rights in the Middle East. At face value, CFTA sounds like an organization that should be supported and that deserves the money they received from the EU. But what has CFTA decided to do with all that money? They decided to support anti-Israel policies, calling for women around the world to boycott Israel because of the “awful” way Israel treats women. This position is ironic to the highest degree taking into consideration that Israel is, by far, the most feminist country in the Middle East.
Rape is one of the most egregious crimes being perpetuated against women. Being so, the punishment for rape should be proportionate to how devastating the offense is. In Israel you can expect 16 years to life in prison for the crime of rape. In Jordan, rape is only punishable by 7 years. That is less than the amount of time in prison you would receive for armed robbery in some states in the United States. Has The Culture and Free Thought Assoc. called out to boycott Jordan for their “slap on the wrist” attitude towards rape sentencing? Another crime that affects specifically women is marital abuse. 51% of the women in the Gaza Strip have been subjected to a form of violence within the household (PCBS, Violence Survey in Palestinian Society, 2011). Has CFTA made a call to boycott their own government for allowing a terrifying rate of marital abuse?
If rape and abuse are not so important for the CFTA, what about Female Genital Mutilation (FGM)? The destruction of a woman’s genitalia is a heinous crime that should be outlawed everywhere. Unfortunately, this practice is still prevalent in many places. In Egypt, FGM is a common practice that hurts, and even kills, thousands of little girls due to unclean medical procedures and the infections that followed. Fortunately, in 2007, the Egyptian Ministry of Health and Population banned all forms of FGM, but this has not stopped the practice. In 2014, UNICEF reported that 91% of women in Egypt had undergone some form of FGM. FGM has never been an accepted practice and is illegal in Israel. Why does an NGO, specifically designed to protect and stand up for women’s rights, condemn Israel, when countless young girls are being butchered in neighboring Arab countries?
How is a woman’s testimony in court weighed against a man’s? In Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and all areas governed by the Palestinian Authority, a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man’s. This means that if a women accuses a man of committing a crime against her, whether it be assault, robbery, rape, etc., she will need another female witness just to have the same amount of credibility as the man. What country in the Middle East does treat both genders’ testimonies equally? You’d be right to assume, yet again, Israel.
Is Israel a misogynist country? Is Israel a patriarchal society? In Israel, a child is granted citizenship automatically if the father or the mother is a citizen. Not all countries in the Middle East follow the example Israel lays out. In Jordan and Lebanon, the child’s father must be a citizen. Even if a mother is a Jordanian or a Lebanese citizen, if she marries a foreigner, the child does not receive her citizenship.
Forced child marriage is an abhorrent practice and a violation of children’s rights. As of 2017, in Gaza, 15% of girls under the age of 18 are married as well as 1% of girls under the age of 15. To clarify, almost 4,000 girls under the age of 15 in Gaza are married. In Egypt, it’s 17% under the age of 18 and 2% under 15. Iran? 17% and 3%. What does 3% look like? 526,854 little girls that are sold into marriage before the age of 15. In Israel it is illegal for a person to marry someone under the age of 18.
One of the strongest indicators of gender equality is women in positions of political authority. As of 2018, 28% of the Israeli Parliament is women. That beats even the United States, where only 20% of Congress is women. And where does the Middle East stand on female empowerment? The average percentage of women in positions of political power across the Middle East is a whopping…6%.
If the Culture and Free Thought Association wanted to actually talk about gender inequality and women’s empowerment, they could target any number of the issues addressed in this article. They could call for their neighboring countries to reform. Unfortunately, they are more interested in forwarding their political agenda by ignoring women’s rights violations in the Middle East and attacking the only feminist country in the area, Israel.
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i'm not, but israel is. they've called the 2-state solution unacceptable. also they refuse to extend equal rights to all their citizens under a one-state solution. instead they prefer to kill/expel them
They said it's not an acceptable outcome of this attack
But that doesn't mean it's not acceptable in the future
Also: all of their citizens have equal rights
Also: many Palestinians in East Jerusalem refused citizenship which would have given them all rights
Also: 1967 borders means gaza is part of Egypt and wb is part of Jordan. Nobody wants that
Realistically, a non terrorist country needs to be in place, and a path to statehood will obviously be a condition of a Saudi normalization deal. But people thinking that means statehood immediately are crazy
