Israel/Palestine thread

There is no point. It is just first level tribalism. Around 2 billion people in the world view Hamas (and more general all Jihadis) as part of their tribe at the ideological and/or spiritual level and are going to support them, no matter what.

And there are plenty of westerners (including Jews) who are similarly biased the other way, although the latter group also has a much, much, much, much, much larger number of people much more willing to be critical of their side because they come from a culture that values individualism and freedom of thought.

This is a political commentary, it isn’t about you specifically and it’s just sort of a fact of life. Obsessing over the death and destruction of people is unhealthy for anyone. Why not obsess over a solution that obviates killing?

by jalfrezi P

Death toll from massacre still rising.

Disgusting country supporting this government's actions.

How many people do you think it would be justified to kill if those people had kidnapped your wife or child?

I would say any number killed to rescue a single hostage is fair.

I don't believe anyone in this thread has done that.

Because in some case, specifically when dealing with very irrational people who do evil, the only solution that works is killing them.

I mean I asked the question many times, which other strategies will make it impossible for Hamas (or anyone like them) to do a 10 7 again?

So they used the opportunity to run amok killing hundreds of civilians, a large loss of human life that you horribly describe as collateral damage as if they were no more than street signs, then made up some bs about mechanical failure. We al know how militaries work.

3,000 dead Americans on 9/11. Collateral damage?

Street signs aren't casualties.

The dead on 9/11 was exactly what was intended.

Ditto these.

Don’t you ever pause to wonder why it is that Hamas attacks on Israelis are planned and deliberate, while Israeli attacks on Palestinians are an accident or overreaction?

Maybe because Hamas had to deliberately enter Israeli territory to attack? Do you think 10/7 was an accident?

Looks like Hamas isn't the only terrorist group you support.

But at least we now know it's not only Israeli civilian deaths you're cool with, but also those of Americans.

This is the most appalling thing I have read in a long time.

You dont have such a stratgey either. In no way are you making it impossible in the future.

Of course I don’t support terrorist groups, as I’ve said many times. Targeting civilians is vile.

Stop misrepresenting my views.

I think that if Israel destroys and militarily occupies gaza, the WB and lebanon and holds the areas indefinitely (or it's allies control them for the next 3-5 decades at least), killing each and every terrorist or terrorist collaborator in the process, then it's impossible to have a 10 7 again in Israel territory.

New terrorists will be made and it will never end.

New terrorists might be made but not in the immediate borders of Israel, if the immediate border of Israel is militarily occupied.

And it's not about terrorists not existing in a vacuum, it's about being able to do great damage. Which they won't be if they don't have land access to Israel.

You say that yet then you say things which seem to contradict yourself constantly. Meanwhile you attack me for not being negative enough when I say that Israel is not acting appropriately.

Who do you think the 9/11 terrorists were attempting to save when they flew the planes into civilians? I can see the point you're trying to make, but you're failing to make it and are instead just being offensive.

Even in some horror fantasy where israel do all that, it's unlikely another 10 7 isn't still at least as likely

I don't see how, without land access. Can you elaborate?

on november 30, hamas announced that they were in the planning stages of additional actions on israeli soil which would, quote, make oct 7 look like a rehearsal. you'll recall that oct 7 involved the murder and rape of over a thousand israeli civilians, so feel free to speculate on what hamas had in mind for round two (and round three, and so on)

since that announcement, approximately 15,000 hamas terrorists have lost their lives with more being added to the total every day. much of their infrastructure has been compromised

the job is not yet complete, but its quite clear to me that the IDFs actions have crippled hamas' ability to murder and rape israeli civilians

the idea that killing your enemies makes them stronger is ahistorical

So next time it will be because the job wasn't finished?

Next time of what, about who, where?

If we let Israel eradicate terrorism and we help doing it there won't be a next 10 7 .

That includes giving a hand to permanently (in the decades sense) occupy, this time for real, gaza , wb and lebanon. Initiate a process of de-hamasification and when society treats anyone expressing violent ideas against Israel the same we treat actual nazis here, when support for any movement, group, association that in any way or form denies Israel sovereinty , and jewish presence in those lands is at low single digits, then and only then they will be allowed to self govern.

In the meantime any attempt to organize such movements would be fully criminalized and the death penalty used profusely.

Now in such a scenario, do you think there can be another 10 7?

we can discuss next time when it happens, but i think you might be waiting a very, very long time for us to have the conversation as israel seems very serious about preventing another oct 7

You really think you can just call something as disgusting as killing thousands of kids "not acting appropriately"?

You're not making sense. If the 9/11 terrorists had wanted to maximise the number of deaths they'd have chosen another target than the WTC, like the Super Bowl final. The twin towers were chosen because they symbolised the financial domination of the US.

Really surprised I have to explain this to an American.

Sounds like I did make it? You're not making sense again.

how many hamas terrorists do you estimate have lost their lives during the war?