ex-President Trump

ex-President Trump

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:

a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?

b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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by StoppedRainingMen P

Personally I find Lucille’s naive whataboutism gotcha schtick to be tired nonsense that wouldn’t fool someone with a GED but that’s just me

Separately I do find it hilarious that the usual suspects yelling TDS TDS TDS are not only themselves deranged because trump but rather than engage any actual discussion of why someone is saying ‘hey trump might suck because X y and z’ just decide to go with the lowest common denominator and accuse you o

Can you pls stop calling me with feminine distortions of my name thanks


by Slighted P

the media LOVES trump. the trump presidency was a huge boon for both "sides" of the media. i dont think it's weird at all to say the media company heads would vastly prefer a trump presidency over a trump loss. if trump loses this election, he's basically washed out and the attention will die away. but if he wins the grievance gravy train continues for at least another 4 years. trump sells papers/views/clicks in a way that no prior

Ok so if this is your read why don't they go on board with election denialism, conspiracy theories about the label system being corrupted against him and so on?


because it's not 1940's nazi italy?


by Luciom P

Ok so if this is your read why don't they go on board with election denialism, conspiracy theories about the label system being corrupted against him and so on?

i mean most of the rightwing media thought like that and then did just that. and it cost them tons of money in defamation lawsuits. so it's important to straddle the fence.

cnn has decidedly taken a rightward shift of their own failing in trying to scoop some of that money.

most of the publications you find in the "middle" or "left-center" use passive language like "trump's election claims" in headlines instead of directly calling them lies.

the AP article about that rambling incoherent speech didn't mention it, and instead was called "trump complains about teleprompters"


by StoppedRainingMen P

Personally I find Lucille’s naive whataboutism gotcha schtick to be tired nonsense that wouldn’t fool someone with a GED but that’s just me

Separately I do find it hilarious that the usual suspects yelling TDS TDS TDS are not only themselves deranged because trump but rather than engage any actual discussion of why someone is saying ‘hey trump might suck because X y and z’ just decide to go with the lowest common denominator and accuse you o

StoppedRainingMen, it is not permissible to modify another poster's username as an insult, and a poster's preferred pronouns and gender are to be respected. Any further violations of this rule will result in an immediate temp ban. Thank you.


Apparently Trump has been pondering about battery shark problem for almost a year. Such a bigly thinker. Wouldn't believe it without the close MIT connections.


The Hill: Justice Alito’s wife vows revenge for flag controversy in secret recording

The wife of Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito said that she wants to get back at people who raised a controversy after she and the justice were criticized last month for flying politically affiliated flags at their homes.

“You come after me, I’m gonna give it back to you,” Martha-Ann Alito said in the recording of a private conversation at the Supreme Court Historical Society’s annual dinner on June 3.

“There will be a way, it doesn’t have to be now, but there will be a way they know,” she added. “Don’t worry about it.”

Source: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-bat...


by pocket_zeros P

The Hill: Justice Alito’s wife vows revenge for flag controversy in secret recording

I guess for black male to kneel during the anthem at the NFL is a bad form of political protest
But not for white wife SC judge by putting the flag down ?
I wonder who should show the most restrain ….
NFL players neutrality is so important on the political front I suppose .


by pocket_zeros P

The Hill: Justice Alito’s wife vows revenge for flag controversy in secret recording

That's what any rightwing person would feel like. You attack me, i defend myself. How? doing anything in my power that i can legally do within the system that can damage you. And enjoying every moment of it.

That's the normal, healthy, moral, human reaction for people who don't have leftist morals. Destroying your enemy is moral, is one of the most moral pursues in life actually.


by Luciom P

That's what any rightwing person would feel like. You attack me, i defend myself. How? doing anything in my power that i can legally do within the system that can damage you. And enjoying every moment of it.

That's the normal, healthy, moral, human reaction for people who don't have leftist morals. Destroying your enemy is moral, is one of the most moral pursues in life actually.

Do you really want to murder every Marxist? And consider that to be moral


by Luciom P

That's what any rightwing person would feel like. You attack me, i defend myself. How? doing anything in my power that i can legally do within the system that can damage you. And enjoying every moment of it.

That's the normal, healthy, moral, human reaction for people who don't have leftist morals. Destroying your enemy is moral, is one of the most moral pursues in life actually.

Really weird that right wingers don't engage in political violence, given that's how they feel.


by d2_e4 P

Really weird that right wingers don't engage in political violence, given that's how they feel.

not weird if you read the "legally" part no


by chillrob P

Do you really want to murder every Marxist? And consider that to be moral

Under constitutional democratic rule, for a rightwing person something needs to be legal in order to be moral (necessary but not sufficient). We aren't eversive.


by Luciom P

Under constitutional democratic rule, for a rightwing person something needs to be legal in order to be moral (necessary but not sufficient). We aren't eversive.

Ah yes, I forgot, right wingers are the law and order people. Lol.


by d2_e4 P

Ah yes, I forgot, right wingers are the law and order people. Lol.

I mean you guys should pick one narrative and stick with it, because you can't both consider Bukele a righwing autocrat because he uses according to you guys too much violence to fix crime, then deny that being rightwing is about law and order.

Bukele is rightwing 101

And if they changed their laws to allow point blank execution of many of those gang members, democratically, then it would be very very very moral to execute each and everyone of them


by Luciom P

I mean you guys should pick one narrative and stick with it, because you can't both consider Bukele a righwing autocrat because he uses according to you guys too much violence to fix crime, then deny that being rightwing is about law and order.

Bukele is rightwing 101

And if they changed their laws to allow point blank execution of many of those gang members, democratically,

thats great.
so maybe one day with enough democratically right wing racist , we shall have slavery back again because a bunch of idiots got together in enough number to render slavery morally acceptable and justify....

maybe just maybe some ideas , even democratically voted is never moral but just plain stupid...


by Montrealcorp P

thats great.
so maybe one day with enough democratically right wing racist , we shall have slavery back again because a bunch of idiots got together in enough number to render slavery morally acceptable and justify....

maybe just maybe some ideas , even democratically voted is never moral but just plain stupid...

yes if the vast majority of the population wants something and you are a democracy you get that.

So if you dislike something you need to keep convincing people that something is bad. And you can criminalize being in favor of something that is too much against the social order you consider viable.

So for ex you could criminalize being pro slavery and execute pro slavery people so they never reach the majority. And it would be fully democratic to do that, if you change the constitution to allow for that.

You could even think of reaching a "radical centrist" society where both leftwing and rightwing extremisms are criminalized with the death penalty.


by Luciom P

I mean you guys should pick one narrative and stick with it, because you can't both consider Bukele a righwing autocrat because he uses according to you guys too much violence to fix crime, then deny that being rightwing is about law and order.

Bukele is rightwing 101

And if they changed their laws to allow point blank execution of many of those gang members, democratically, then it would be very very very moral to execute each and everyone o

Hell, I think it would be moral to execute murderous gang members even without the laws allowing it.

But I don't think it is moral to murder someone just because you disagree with them about the best economic / political system, and I would have thought you considered Marxists as your enemies more than criminals. I certainly don't think it is moral, healthy, or natural to want to murder people who disagree with you on policy issues, and I even think it's natural to want to murder someone for fairly minor violations of etiquette like cutting me off in traffic. Not that I would murder someone just for that, even if I knew I could get away with it, but it certainly crosses my mind. It never has crossed my mind to want to murder anyone for supporting a system I disagree with.

Now maybe you meant something else by "enemy" than your personal enemy. But if you meant an enemy in some kind of war, I still disagree that it is normal or healthy to revel in that. I think most mentally healthy soldiers don't actually enjoy killing the enemy, and mostly regret that circumstances require it. If a soldier truly loves killing the enemy, I would say he is not a mentally healthy person (although he is the kind of person you want in your army).


by chillrob P

Hell, I think it would be moral to execute murderous gang members even without the laws allowing it.

In flagrante sure but after being held captive no, mostly because you need a precise process to determine guilt


by chillrob P


But I don't think it is moral to murder someone just because you disagree with them about the best economic / political system, and I would have thought you considered Marxists as your enemies more than criminals. I certainly don't think it is moral, healthy, or natural to want to murder people who disagree with you on policy issues, and I even think it's natural to want to murder someone for fairly minor violations of etiquette like cutti

Even if the system he proposes (and is actively ready to bring about, explicitly, with detailed books about it, conferences, associations promoting it and so on), say, is one of genocide of all non whites?


by Luciom P

I mean you guys should pick one narrative and stick with it, because you can't both consider Bukele a righwing autocrat because he uses according to you guys too much violence to fix crime, then deny that being rightwing is about law and order.

Bukele is rightwing 101

And if they changed their laws to allow point blank execution of many of those gang members, democratically, then it would be very very very moral to execute each and everyone o

Nobody said Bukele "uses too much violence to fix crime", you just made that up. The issue people have with Bukele is locking people up without basic due process.


by Luciom P

That's what any rightwing person would feel like. You attack me, i defend myself. How? doing anything in my power that i can legally do within the system that can damage you. And enjoying every moment of it.

That's the normal, healthy, moral, human reaction for people who don't have leftist morals. Destroying your enemy is moral, is one of the most moral pursues in life actually.

Jesus told all his followers to destroy their enemies. It's the godly thing to do.

Btw, Alito's wife wasn't attacked - she was the one who instigated the confrontation according to the neighbors.


by pocket_zeros P

Jesus told all his followers to destroy their enemies. It's the godly thing to do.

Btw, Alito's wife wasn't attacked - she was the one who instigated the confrontation according to the neighbors.

I suspect she thinks differently.

Re "jesus was a pacifist", while broadly true, i think you should check what actual christianity has been about since it existed as an organized and powerful religion.

It's almost like conservatives are married to the old testament, progressives to the new one. And that's not a recent development.

No matter how much conservatives claim to be christians in some places, they don't even attempt to follow the (radical leftist) teaching of Jesus. They never did. They explicity disagree with most tenets of Jesus teachings. And rightly so i would add, but that's just my opinion.

So it's not much of a gotcha to notice this today. I mean yes you can keep telling them they aren't proper christians at all, and that would be true. So what? religion is a tool to control the masses anyway, leaders never believe the crap they use to force behaviour among their subjects


by Luciom P

I suspect she thinks differently.

Re "jesus was a pacifist", while broadly true, i think you should check what actual christianity has been about since it existed as an organized and powerful religion.

It's almost like conservatives are married to the old testament, progressives to the new one. And that's not a recent development.

No matter how much conservatives claim to be christians in some places, they don't even attempt to follow the (rad

Sounds like your point is that conservatives are either too dumb to understand the things they claim to believe, or they are lying hypocrites. Finally, we agree on something.


by Slighted P

So I said, let me ask you a question and he said, nobody ever asked this question and it must be because of MIT, my relationship to MIT. Very smart. He goes, I say, what would happen if the boat sank from its weight? And you're in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery and the battery is now underwater and there's a shark that's approximately 10 yards over there, by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately, do you notice tha

well you took that out of context


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