The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
An agenda is spreading anti-trans rhetoric like implying they have an "agenda".
The only agenda Trans people might have is to live their lives free from discrimination from people like you who have an anti-trans agenda
They have been quite clear in most countries, that they want society to pay for their gender needs though.
That's an agenda.
Im okay with society paying for trans healthcare needs. We pay into all kind of healthcare for people and trans people absolutely need it. That isnt an agenda.
Its the sports that was an epic **** show.
Im okay with society paying for trans healthcare needs. We pay into all kind of healthcare for people and trans people absolutely need it. That isnt an agenda.
Its the sports that was an epic **** show.
I am not at all given science doesn't consider trans ness a disease. It can't be healthcare if it isn't a medical condition.
I am pro science, so i deny "trans care" can exist semantically, given trans isn't a medical condition
Im okay with society paying for trans healthcare needs. We pay into all kind of healthcare for people and trans people absolutely need it. That isnt an agenda.
Its the sports that was an epic **** show.
I would also agree to that for adults not for anyone under the age of 18 in our public health care system
the "trans agenda"
I'm obviously using the American definition since you know that I'm American and it makes my statements correct. If JBouton was using the British definition, then we can discuss that, but then it'd be better to list ages than to use ambiguous terms.
Ok sorry but as an European i was like "wtf" given infant isn't a baby for my limited knowledge of the word.
The language model disagrees. You guys are saying a baby isn't an infant?
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Have you never been to a pride parade? Yes kids are allowed in pride parades. Obviously.
Kids are at pride parades all the time. My kids go every year. We were on our alderman's float once.
Should children be allowed at St Patrick's Day parades? When are they old enough to decide that they look good in green or that they like Guinness?
Just ignoring the casual anti-trans mockery, WTF does "allowed to be at a parade" even mean? You people have been to parades before, yes?
You'll have to ask Bouton about that - I believe he has managed to unite those on every side of this topic in the belief that his question was ridiculous.
Uke made the group take my question out of context on purpose. I didn't ask if kids are allowed at pride parades. Thats clearly a recharacterization that is intended to make me look bad.
Let me be clear, although I already clarified. The rainbow and pride events are events to show support for the set including in LGBTQ2S+. Those are the 'participants' including those encompassed. Which is different for examples than a straight person just offering their support.
These days you can have parents that decide their child is a transgender, or non-binary etc, hoping to give the child the choice later on.
My question is does that put the child into the set of participants of the parade. ie The parents are probably thinking they should go, and wondering do they introduce their child as part of the set.
To make sure we understand the question, and address it sincerely in its intended framing...its not an answer to say 'ANYONE can participate.." We are asking if the child belongs in the set.
To make sure we understand the question, and address it sincerely in its intended framing...its not an answer to say 'ANYONE can participate.." We are asking if the child belongs in the set.
Personally, I am saying the sexual displays typical of prides don't belong in the streets and people should do those things only in private settings with no minor presence allowed.
It's pornography and it's very aesthetically bad pornography at that.
These days you can have parents that decide their child is a transgender, or non-binary etc, hoping to give the child the choice later on.
I think I already said this earlier, but this post by you is simply not true. Parents can decide not to force a gender identity onto their kids, but they are absolutely not deciding that the child is transgender or non-binary. Ask any of those parents and they will tell you that the child decides. And not in infancy anyway.
Let me be clear, although I already clarified. The rainbow and pride events are events to show support for the set including in LGBTQ2S+. Those are the 'participants' including those encompassed. Which is different for examples than a straight person just offering their support.
These days you can have parents that decide their child is a transgender, or non-binary etc, hoping to give the child the choice later on.
My question is does tha
Ya this doesn't make your question one iota less ridiculous. They're kids. If they show up on a float nobody is doing some inspection of whether they are in some binary "set" or not of your imagination.
Parents are welcome to raise their children however they wish. I have young children, and I'd never raise my children to be religious or to hold conservative family values, and I minimize the amount of gender norms I impose on my kids. Others may disagree. That's fine. But we don't have to get all twisted up about the idea of kids being in a pride parade. Just relax.
Also as any parent of young kids will tell you, the kids are their own people even from really young ages. My son loved trucks. My daughter loves pink and dolls. I don't think we ever pushed either gender norm, but the kids pick up gender cues form young ages in our society.
I think I already said this earlier, but this post by you is simply not true. Parents can decide not to force a gender identity onto their kids, but they are absolutely not deciding that the child is transgender or non-binary. Ask any of those parents and they will tell you that the child decides. And not in infancy anyway.
Then the infant isn't in the set?
The parents/family go to the event and they are just observers not with a participant, is that what you mean?
Personally, I am saying the sexual displays typical of prides don't belong in the streets and people should do those things only in private settings with no minor presence allowed.
It's pornography and it's very aesthetically bad pornography at that.
I'm certainly thinking of events labeled and advertised as all ages, but not speaking to any distinction of the content really otherwise.
They don't have bouncers at pride parades. Anyone can just show up.
You are guarding this thread, and you ALWAYS call my questions ridiculous and reframe them as fast as you can.
They're kids. If they show up on a float nobody is doing some inspection of whether they are in some binary "set" or not of your imagination.
Parents are welcome to raise their children however they wish. I have young children, and I'd never raise my children to be religious or to hold conservative family values, and I minimize the amount of gender norms I impose on my kids. Others may disagree. That's fine. But we don't have to get all twis
No one needs to tell me to relax, you are creating a false characterization of me. Its a very simple and reasonable question for the subject.
Maybe don't ask ridiculous questions then? Nobody is doing some inspection of whether kids are in the "set" or not if their parents raise them in a non-binary way. These kids - any kids - are welcome to be part of any pride parade.
I would suggest some deep reflection on why this "question" is of importance to you. Ideally far away from an internet connection.
Then the infant isn't in the set?
The parents/family go to the event and they are just observers not with a participant, is that what you mean?
I think you need to clarify what you mean by "observer" and "participant". I think most people would assume an observer is someone on the sidelines watching the parade pass by, and a participant is someone in the parade itself, but this latest post of yours would suggest you mean something different.
And then the bigger question would be - what is your point here? Is it just about infants at parades, or is there something bigger you're getting at? Because if there is, we could probably save a lot of time if you just got there. 😀
Hes trying to get at pride parades effectively being conversion therapy for malleable children.
Nobody think conversion therapy is credible or effective yet we constantly go back to this argument as some sort of gotcha.
I contend that people who think like this are harboring secret homosexual thoughts and tendencies that bring them shame. Why else would they think others could be tricked into being LGBQT?
"I've never felt tempted by gay stuff but I could totally see how someone else weaker than me could"
To make sure we understand the question, and address it sincerely in its intended framing...its not an answer to say 'ANYONE can participate.." We are asking if the child belongs in the set.
I understand you now, it's just a ridiculous question.
First off, I have never heard of a baby being transgender, or considered that by their parents. Have you?
Second, even if they were, why would you ask us if they should be in the parade. No one here runs a pride parade. I've never even heard anyone talk about participating in one. I doubt anyone here cares one iota about who participates in a pride parade and who doesn't.
This is one of those fake questions designed to mock an idea, in this case the idea that a baby can be trans.
I agree that it's ridiculous to consider a baby to be trans, but it's not happening and this question / discussion is pointless.
Then the infant isn't in the set?
The parents/family go to the event and they are just observers not with a participant, is that what you mean?
Asking if someone is "in the set" makes no sense and it's not clear what you mean by that.
I understand that English isn't your first language, and I'm not trying to mock you for that, but many things you post here really don't make much sense. That is part of the reason why you get frustrated that people aren't answering your questions in the way you would like them to.
