Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
This year it's been: Phoenix to San Diego and back, Phoenix to Houston, Houston to Fort Lauderdale, Fort Lauderdale to Guatemala City, Guatemala City to San Salvador, San Salvador to Medellin, Medellin to Bogota to Villavicencio, Bogota to Fort Lauderdale, Fort Lauderdale to Greenville South Carolina, Asheville NC to Phoenix. All on either Frontier, Spirit, Avianca, or Jet Blue.
And that's pretty typical for me. I flew United last year from
While that is a significant number of different destinations in that time frame, it's still just a sliver of what's out there, and isn't all that representative of flying as a whole. I've been on numerous flights that were completely full, or close to it, and all waiting until the end is going to do is assure you that your carry-on isn't going in the overhead storage, but will have to be checked. And I've also been on a few flights that had quite a bit of space, and even one where they asked for volunteers to move further back on the plane to balance the weight, since there were so few of us on the flight.
For context, that would be flights from Vancouver-Frankfurt, Frankfurt-Palermo, Palermo-Frankfurt, Frankfurt-Toronto, Toronto-Vancouver, a few Abbotsford-Calgary round trips, and one Vancouver-Prince George round trip (the way home was the almost empty flight). But also observation of what's going on at other gates in those airports - plenty of them are very full. And some aren't, of course. Full planes are definitely not rare everywhere, and I suspect not in most places.
Its ldo bad form when its a mod, that is soft modding the narrative to a political a thread. Its obviously standard otherwise.
He’s not a mod in this sub forum, he’s just a poster here like you. I think maybe it would be best if you and BGP ignored one another as it’s clear neither of you get along well with the other?
He’s not a mod in this sub forum, he’s just a poster here like you. I think maybe it would be best if you and BGP ignored one another as it’s clear neither of you get along well with the other?
You aren't addressing what I said. BGP is using their influence to cut out any counter narrative. Soft modding.
I'm well aware they aren't a mod of the sub. Which is why it shouldn't be allowed, cause its unstated modding disguised as not modding.
So BGP now can't quote every single post I make and invalidate it without addressing the content? That would be great yes.
I've been on numerous flights that were completely full, or close to it, and all waiting until the end is going to do is assure you that your carry-on isn't going in the overhead storage, but will have to be checked.
I LOVE when people get separated from their precious carry-ons. F'in love it.
Are we allowed to present facts and the statement that nato encroached on russia and russia did not invade unproked?
Are we allowed to argue that this counter narrative is true, and that mainstream narratives are false, as we present facts.
Is that not allowed. Previously it has not been allowed.
Bouton, if you don't tell us about the security issue, you're going to get the good, hard modding you've been cruising for.
That seems really weird when someone has a legit carry-on. If you mean people who have carry-ons and "personal items" well beyond the size limit, I'm with you. But when it's a person's only luggage item, that would of course be "precious" to them.
That seems really weird when someone has a legit carry-on. If you mean people who have carry-ons and "personal items" well beyond the size limit, I'm with you. But when it's a person's only luggage item, that would of course be "precious" to them.
It stems from when people have a huge personal item (backpack) that should go under the seat in front of them AND a carry-on. They'll announce that since the flight is packed the overhead bins are for carry-ons only and no one listens. So screw em all is my opinion.
Air travelers absolutely suck. The getting in line to board 15 minutes before the gate opens (you have an assigned seat moron) is asinine. And trying to board in group 5 when you're in group 6. Throw those people in jail.
This is correct. Your characterization of this point as an ad hominem attack against you is not correct.
I think you think that when the word 'ad hominem' gets used, that means that someone attack someone character. And that since I am jbouton, the accusation of an ad hominem means that someone said something about jboutons character.
If this is true, you don't know what an ad hominem is. And again thats problematic when ur a mod. Its your title to know.
It stems from when people have a huge personal item (backpack) that should go under the seat in front of them AND a carry-on. They'll announce that since the flight is packed the overhead bins are for carry-ons only and no one listens. So screw em all is my opinion.
Air travelers absolutely suck. The getting in line to board 15 minutes before the gate opens (you have an assigned seat moron) is asinine. And trying to board in group 5 when
The people waiting in line to board crack me up.
I hate when I time it wrong though and not wait long enough after everyone has gone past the gate and there is still a reasonably long line just around the bend in the tunnel. Always feel like a noob.
I think you think that when the word 'ad hominem' gets used, that means that someone attack someone character. And that since I am jbouton, the accusation of an ad hominem means that someone said something about jboutons character.
If this is true, you don't know what an ad hominem is. And again thats problematic when ur a mod. Its your title to know.
I certainly assumed that you were claiming it was an ad hominem attack against you. As far as I know, it has never been against the rules to make an ad hominem attack against a random person who does not post on 2+2.
It stems from when people have a huge personal item (backpack) that should go under the seat in front of them AND a carry-on. They'll announce that since the flight is packed the overhead bins are for carry-ons only and no one listens.
I'm with you here.
Here, not so much, since it throws in lots of people doing the right thing with those who suck. But I get the frustration.
Air travelers absolutely suck. The getting in line to board 15 minutes before the gate opens (you have an assigned seat moron) is asinine. And trying to board in group 5 when you're in group 6.
Now you're singing my song! I was always a wait until the final call person (or whenever almost everyone is boarded, because I'm not going to hold up the plane) - what the **** is everyone's hurry when we're leaving at exactly the same time? But my wife has gotten me into boarding with our section, since the aforementioned people mean that on full flights, boarding late might mean your bag goes somewhere in the back or even gets checked. She relies on some things in her bag during the flight for health reasons, and while she tries to make sure they are in a personal item under the seat, sometimes **** happens. Plus it sucks when you pack light so you don't have to go retrieve your bag, and then have to anyway because others have managed to bring a bunch of oversize ****.
That said, we go with our section and I try to resist lining up when we haven't been called yet unless it gets crazy. That's the **** I resent like hell - people who have a need to start a lineup for zone 4 when nothing's been called yet, and now if I want to not be the last one on the plane, I have to ****ing line up too, and of course they often line up close to the entrance so people trying to get up there for zone 3 have to weave their way around everyone - ARRGGHH! Just sit the **** down and go up when it's time. Or if you're really eager, stand in the vicinity so you'll be among the first when your section is called, but stay the **** away from the entrance for the gate.
But also, the airlines could do more about this. I'd love to see them announce that boarding won't start until everyone sits down, or at least clears a significant perimeter around the gate entrance. Now that this stupid behaviour has become commonplace, it's never going to change until they put their foot down and normalize...being normal. And some stricter enforcement of carry-on limits would help as well.
I certainly assumed that you were claiming it was an ad hominem attack against you. As far as I know, it has never been against the rules to make an ad hominem attack against a random person who does not post on 2+2.
Omg.
The entire discussion is about how you have this rogue mod going around telling people not to look at or discuss the content of a post because the person in the content is a child molesters. Thats an ad hominem.
The reason thats bad is because its against the good faith of a proper discussion. THATS why it would be 'against the rules'. Thats why its YOUR ROLE TO MODERATE.
Its not for peoples feelings. Its because we don't want a culture of ignoring facts just because one mods tells others to right?
Now you're singing my song! I was always a wait until the final call person (or whenever almost everyone is boarded, because I'm not going to hold up the plane) - what the **** is everyone's hurry when we're leaving at exactly the same time? But my wife has gotten me into boarding with our section, since the aforementioned people mean that on full flights, boarding late might mean your bag goes somewhere in the back or even gets checked. Sh
PREACH!!!!!!!!!!! The plane ain't leaving without you!!!
No one told me not to look at or discuss that post.
Jbouton, I have to ask you to take a break again, friend.
Omg.
The entire discussion is about how you have this rogue mod going around telling people not to look at or discuss the content of a post because the person in the content is a child molesters. Thats an ad hominem.
The reason thats bad is because its against the good faith of a proper discussion. THATS why it would be 'against the rules'. Thats why its YOUR ROLE TO MODERATE.
Its not for peoples feelings. Its because we don't want a c
I am no longer a moderator of this forum. I told you this before.
A year after he went on his tirade where he kept misusing "ad hominem" and he still doesn't know what it means. 
A year after he went on his tirade where he kept misusing "ad hominem" and he still doesn't know what it means.
Seems like he is being misled by his AI overlords.
Has anyone else ever heard of the term 'red herring' used as an argumental fallacy? I've only ever heard it used when related to fictional plots.
jb, for when you come back, some legit advice:
I was curious about how long it had been since the ad homimem thing you were doing last year, so I was searching through the old thread. I was actually very surprised that the topic of your tirade back in October/November 2023 was
"My complaint you are in the middle of is that BGP won't allow the phrase 'proxy-war', to refer to the ukrain/russia conflict."
I mean, it's been over eight months since you have brought this one up. Let's find some new material, eh? I personally think your posts and the subsequent back-and-forth are very entertaining, but not when it is all a rerun.
