Israel/Palestine thread
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Something along the lines of, "We'll give you this land and you give us that land."
--I am pessimistic that any Palestinian leadership will ever get to that point where such discussion could ever be made. So more likely Israel just keeps slowly annexing land; and then eventually unilaterally declares a border when they are satisfied they have enough of the militarily important land for their defense.
funny how you mention negotiating when these 2 articles came out in Israeli media that show it is the Netanyahu govt that is torpedoing talks and acting in bad faith.
https://www.mako.co.il/news-world/2024_q...
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/yokr...
Hamas is not going to accept a deal where Israel continues to attack Gaza and does not allow rebuilding efforts. that makes no sense. its just ludicrous to expect any sane party to be like, ok we will stop fighting you but you can continue to kill us and make us live in tents starving and filthy.
Not as bad for who? With its buffer zones Gaza has lost something like 30% of its land. It was already one of the most densely populated urban areas in the world with a massive population growth trajectory.
Egypt will re-open the smuggling tunnels so Hamas can smuggle weapons in and selected people out, as that is good for business; but other than that neither Israel or Egypt or going to let Gazan's travel to work. And Hamas will continue to run the city poorly and brutally. Seems very bad for the Palestinian people.
But as Victor says, all indications are Palestinians approve of October 7th and how the war has been handled by Hamas since; so if this is what they want, who are we to criticize.
Hamas has already stated October 7th was just a dress rehearsal and they promise to bring the real pain on the Jewish people down the line. And they have already had serious meetings on how once they conquer Israel which Jews will be killed, enslaved or allowed to stay as dhimni. Given this, why would Israel negotiate to allow Hamas to stay in charge?
If you have the upper hand (bought with the lives of hundreds of your own people) against people promising to kill and enslave you; why would you stop just so they can fulfill their promise?
right well none of this is true. lol dress rehearsal, Hamas did not say that.
Most western countries gave those rights to women without a violent struggle. Arab countries still haven't done that.
bro wut
The USA has not attacked Palestine at all.
nope. it certainly does.
Wow those mothers are such horrible people.
We're starving and under attack constantly, what's a good idea?
I know, have more babies!
its a better idea than not having babies. Its like in poker, you have to judge the EV of each decision and choose which one is highest .
for Palestinians, they lose when they stop having babies.
Do you want them to lose?
To be fair, the women have no say in that matter, or any matter.
On another note, it seems like most of the virtue signaling has died out as the conflict has shifted out of the spotlight. Ultimately, the people in global positions of power understood that this was only going to go down one way after Oct 7. I doubt there will be nearly as much global outcry if and when Israel and Hezzbollah clash. The tik tok and Twitter crowd have already grown bored of the Palestinians.
hezbollah these nuts. **** hezbollah
That Victor sees this conflict like a game of poker with EV to be won and lost is not surprising. The Palestinians keep getting dealt 72o, going all in prelfop and wondering why they have no chips. Wow maybe he’s right it’s just like poker!
huh? thats your analogy bruv.
Yes, if their main way to win is to create more starving babies.
The results I want in every war is whatever would cause fewer babies to be born.
I understand that women don't have say in politics, but I doubt that the majority of babies being born in Gaza were conceived via rape.
I don’t think the women have a say in anything, politics or whatever. I don’t think they are all being forcefully raped, that’s a crazy leap.
Would you say it becomes more dangerous to raise kids when you’re having a war?
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I personally think it's bad to starve hundreds of thousands of children.
I just criticized their having more babies. Unless they are all getting raped, they do have a say in that.
I certainly didn't say either of those things. Just that it's very irresponsible to bring babies into a war zone, and it shouldn't be at all surprising that they are starving.