The "LOLCANADA" thread...again
So what's new?
I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet...i'd be shocked if they lost the election now.
Just shows just how incompetent Conservatives are.
Inflation rate dropping more than expected to 2.7%. Great news from the stewardship of, checks notes, the drama teacher
I’ve said it before that O’Toole was twice the man poilievre is. Here’s a great example. Can you imagine Poilievre EVER calling out his rabid base for their sexism like this?
Ok. Well this is an interesting - entirely new - set of talking points so let's just take the W on our prior points and move on to these new points.
I spiked the football on you on the last topic, there was nothing more to say. The winner gets to walk off the field and play a new game if they choose.
And yes I mostly agree! Complaining about housing - where Canada is the worst in the g7 - is a much more biting critique than deficits - where Canada is he best in the g7. This is a bad problem in many countries and acutely bad here. There are many reasons for this, and immigration is but one contributing factor.
However, it is a little silly to say they are in denial about it. It's practically all anyone talks about these days - Liberals included, with a whole host of initiatives. Amusingly, a big chunk of the most recent budget increases were due to billions and billions thrown into housing initiatives. The conservatives shamefully don't release detailed plans, but from their policy statements they have a similar approach (a bit more stick and a bit less carrot, but similar ideas). We could dive down into the details of those comparative plans, but ultimately the major macroeconomic forces tend to dwarf regardless.
The Liberals are directly responsible for this gigantic surge in population growth. Denial is saying liberals aren't responsible. This is why rent is surging like crazy:
Whenever I put a rental apartment for rent under the $2000 threshold, I get 300-400 messages within days, and mostly from recent immigrants. I'm seeing with my own eyes why rent is exploding across the country.
It's also rather amusing how personal you try to be in your posts while miserably failing. I'm pretty open ITT. So yes, I've (mostly) paid for my own house, but my job involves working with 20 year olds all day. I'm acutely aware that housing (and climate change!) is a top priority both anecdotally and in poll after poll. So this suggestion that I don't know what I don't know because I own a house is stupid, irrelevant, and very on brand for you at this point.
Do better.
I actually had zero clue you paid your own house down, I made a guess based off how little it concerns you that rent has exploded all across Canada. Mostly because it doesn't impact you. So things Liberals do that are negative for the country but doesn't impact you -> not a big concern to you.
I actually had zero clue you paid your own house down, I made a guess based off how little it concerns you that rent has exploded all across Canada. Mostly because it doesn't impact you. So things Liberals do that are negative for the country but doesn't impact you -> not a big concern to you.
This is a really silly and frankly kind of sad way to approach politics. Perhaps being unable to understand or show empathy for people in a different situation than you and only judge policies by how they affect you - maybe, that is, these personal guesses you are making about me are just projections of how you engage with politics. But most of us are better than that. Right and left. What a sad little world it is to presume your opponents are incapable of thinking outside the policies that personally benefit them. If I was to do as you stupidly suggest, I should actually vote conservative as I've income tested out of things like the BC climate rebate, CCB, dental, etc - I should just want much lower taxation. However, because I actually DO care about how policies impact those less fortunate for me I'm a proud member of the left who actually tries - albeit imperfectly - to support those without the resources I have.
Did you know that the Liberal's earlier this year actually CUT student visa's from 437000 last year to under 300,000 targetted now? You can certainly complain too little, too late, if you wish, but this nonsensical bit about people just not caring is silly.
Guessing that lozen's confusion about the Canada's economy comes from Poilievre's lies about it
It's kind funny it doesn't matter what BoC does, Poilievre lies and blames it on Trudeau no matter what. When the BoC wasn't cutting? Trudeau's fault because inflation was high. When the BoC is cutting? Trudeau's fault because of the economy.
No matter what happens, it is Trudeau's fault.
Guessing that lozen's confusion about the Canada's economy comes from Poilievre's lies about it
It's kind funny it doesn't matter what BoC does, Poilievre lies and blames it on Trudeau no matter what. When the BoC wasn't cutting? Trudeau's fault because inflation was high. When the BoC is cutting? Trudeau's fault because of the economy.
No matter what happens, it is Trudeau's fault.
Yes it’s sad that a supposed qualified future PM keep using an inflammatory rhetoric with not much truth in it on the economy while he could so easily use other subject to attack Trudeau ….
Watching the news and all these evacuations out west from forest fires . Seems strange I thought Justin's carbon tax was going to stop forest fires and provide us with a white Christmas
Maybe its just a blatant lie?
This is a game of words. Of course are gdp will grow when we bring in 1-2 million immigrants in a year but the average per person will plummet and that's what we see happening. gdp can be temporarily inflated in many ways anyway like housing bubbles. Alot of other g7 country's have mass immigration and the same problems tho so comparing us to France or Italy seems like a very dumb thing to do. We should compare are growth to the united states (which has healthy immigration despite what their politics tell you) which in that same graph is very very bad
NO its total BS on Trudeaus part we could stop driving, burning all fossil fuels , live in tents and end all exploration of resources and the forests will still burn and have no effect on climate change
Why if we need to all be driving electric cars would Trudeau not welcome $25,000 chines electric cars which all CDN's could afford
This is a game of words. Of course are gdp will grow when we bring in 1-2 million immigrants in a year but the average per person will plummet and that's what we see happening. gdp can be temporarily inflated in many ways anyway like housing bubbles. Alot of other g7 country's have mass immigration and the same problems tho so comparing us to France or Italy seems like a very dumb thing to do. We should compare are growth to the united stat
I'm confused. You think france and italy have "mass immigration" so it is unfair to compare us to them? But Canada has higher immigration than they do. The US is about the same as Italy for net migration, but you think the US has "health immigration". You aren't just making numbers up again are you?
One of the persistent things about immigrants is that most come in with lower income levels and that then increases over the next, say, 15 years. So for example in a temporary foreign worker, it isn't like they all get the same slice of the GDP pie and the more people means the lower denominator. This is a lot of productive increase in the economy and often higher income people end up disproportionately benefiting. The point isn't to take one or the other, but neither "GDP" or "GDP per capita" are perfect measures here. Regardless, they are enough to disprove Poilievre's fearmongering and demagoguery.
NO its total BS on Trudeaus part we could stop driving, burning all fossil fuels , live in tents and end all exploration of resources and the forests will still burn and have no effect on climate change
Why if we need to all be driving electric cars would Trudeau not welcome $25,000 chines electric cars which all CDN's could afford
This is such an inept post. First you say Trudeau's position if we should stop driving. Then a little later you seem to remember about electric cars. Oops. And like, do YOU think US/Canada shouldn't have trade tarrifs on China? Or do you think US/Canada should build out their own EV market? Like people can do two things at once, you can try to transition the economy to use less fossil fuels without completely giving up the industry to China.
Watching the news and all these evacuations out west from forest fires . Seems strange I thought Justin's carbon tax was going to stop forest fires and provide us with a white Christmas
Maybe its just a blatant lie?
Yes your post would indeed appear to he a blatant lie, unless you can provide some evidence that JT said carbon tax would mean zero forest fires.
This is such an inept post. First you say Trudeau's position if we should stop driving. Then a little later you seem to remember about electric cars. Oops. And like, do YOU think US/Canada shouldn't have trade tarrifs on China? Or do you think US/Canada should build out their own EV market? Like people can do two things at once, you can try to transition the economy to use less fossil fuels without completely giving up the industry to China
I personally think EV's have a limited capacity in todays society and the manufacturing of them is detrimental to the environment and climate change as well . I do think Canada should have some tariffs but if your governments goal is to have everyone drive electric cars they key is affordability than you should embrace these cars. The majority of EV's are being sold to the upper class . If your argument is well China subsidizes the industry well so do we
Yes your post would indeed appear to he a blatant lie, unless you can provide some evidence that JT said carbon tax would mean zero forest fires.
OH please we have heard many times Justin speaking about how climate policies will save us and bring us a white Christmas and the carbon tax is part of those policies
I personally think EV's have a limited capacity in todays society and the manufacturing of them is detrimental to the environment and climate change as well . I do think Canada should have some tariffs but if your governments goal is to have everyone drive electric cars they key is affordability than you should embrace these cars. The majority of EV's are being sold to the upper class . If your argument is well China subsidizes the industry
See u already know the answer for your previous post that linking carbon tax alone to stop forest fire made no sense ….
This is a game of words. people like lozen and pieere are not saying Canadas pure gdp is shrinking what they are probably saying is the average gdp is shrinking. Of course are gdp will grow when we bring in 1-2 million immigrants in a year but the average per person will plummet and that's what we see happening.
So in simplest words we speak about gdp per capita ?
Well if the « real » speech of polievre is to say Canada have economic problems because of too high a rate of immigration u won’t find much push back by me .
But he sound bad doesn’t it ….
U think he got any policies surfing immigration future ?
If he doesn’t I don’t see why then it should be better under polievre ?
Problem with polievre he complains a lot but do not orioles of what he would do to fix it …
But fwiw gdp per capita in Canada is still ok on many level .
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metri...
Hopefully we just have a small bump but yes , blaming Trudeau on actual stuff like immigration and start a real debate about it u would be a better avenue imo .
But blaming Trudeau for oil, inflation or the economy being bad is just nonsense to me .
I personally think EV's have a limited capacity in todays society and the manufacturing of them is detrimental to the environment and climate change as well . I do think Canada should have some tariffs but if your governments goal is to have everyone drive electric cars they key is affordability than you should embrace these cars. The majority of EV's are being sold to the upper class . If your argument is well China subsidizes the industry
Ok. Then can you maybe stop these BS faux arguments you don't even believe in. Like if you don't think Trudeau should go tariff free on chinese EVs then don't pretend to criticize him for not doing so. Grow a backbone and stop these silly fake arguments about things you don't even believe in.
OH please we have heard many times Justin speaking about how climate policies will save us and bring us a white Christmas and the carbon tax is part of those policies
quote or stfu. I've never heard Trudeau say that Canada acting alone will stop forest fires. That would be obviously stupid. I have heard him point out that climate change contributes to forest fires and we all have a responsibility to fight climate change. That is obviously true. So stop pretending he said the stupid thing when he probably has been saying the true thing the same time.
Basically just be a better poster. Not a lot better. Just a bit. Small steps.
But fwiw gdp per capita in Canada is still ok on many level .
Oh really? Let's see what nerds over at stats Canada have to say.
Slower economic growth over the past year and near-record population increases fuelled by temporary and permanent immigration have put the spotlight on recent trends in Canada’s gross domestic product (GDP) per capita. Real GDP per capita has now declined in five of the past six quarters and is currently near levels observed in 2017.
Oh really? Let's see what nerds over at stats Canada have to say.
Slower economic growth over the past year and near-record population increases fuelled by temporary and permanent immigration have put the spotlight on recent trends in Canada’s gross domestic product (GDP) per capita. Real GDP per capita has now declined in five of the past six quarters and is currently near levels observed in 2017.
It’s an unfortunate short term consequence to fight inflation .
Economy had to slow down .
You don’t raise interest rates to stimulate the economy .
Yes I’m critical with Trudeau on immigration but not on the economy and the decision he took on many things .
FWIW here is the rate of immigration .
https://www.statista.com/statistics/4430...
It was a bad thing but why polievre isn’t hammering this instead and other real issues ?
Instead of inventing stuff ?
Canada doesn't have the best economy in the G7, we have the worst, at least according to GDP per capita. Only japan saw their GDP per capita fall in 2023 and there only barely.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted...
Now I don't buy the whole idea that GDP = health of the economy. Especially in Canada I think that GDP overstates how our economy is doing, because so much of our GDP is comprised of public sector spending and increased real estate prices. Real economic value is created by the market economy, not by hiring a bunch of bureaucrats to sit in an office pushing paper.
Canada doesn't have the best economy in the G7, we have the worst, at least according to GDP per capita. Only japan saw their GDP per capita fall in 2023 and there only barely.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted...
Now I don't buy the whole idea that GDP = health of the economy. Especially in Canada I think that GDP overstates how our economy is doing, because so much of our GDP is comprised of publ
Maybe I see this wrong but your chart shows Canada 3rd o0?
3rd in 2029, 2nd in 2023.
Just lol at the clown thinking 2nd was "worst in the g7". He confused a single year decline (because of a spike in immigration it affects the per person rate) with the total value. Why do these guys make these basic mistakes every single time they try to speak about the economy?
Amazing self own.
so much of our GDP is comprised of public sector spending and increased real estate prices.
This is also false. Rising real estate prices has zero direct effect on GDP. GDP is a measure of production. A piece of land going from a half million to a million doesn't get counted here.
Just basic mistakes up and down.
Tragic fire in Jasper.
Really makes you wonder if Alberta hadn't slashed their forest fire budgets in recent years dismantling what had previously been a stellar program what effect if any this could have had on the degree of forest fire management.
Maybe I see this wrong but your chart shows Canada 3rd o0?
What is important is not GDP per capita, but whether it is increasing or decreasing. Obviously. I can't believe I have to actually spell this out, but all the other nations in the G7 have a growing GDP per capita. That is good. We do not. That is bad.
