The costs of trans visibility

I'm trying to comprehend who the cult is, how fake transness is, and all that good stuff.

again, just read the thread and stop building up strawmen and you could go far in life

Sounds like the claim is PPA is a cult? And the conclusion from that assertion is gender and trans are fake?

You aren't giving us much to go on sir. Trying to gain details about the cult.

you're really bad at this, adding you to the ignore list

Seems like transactivists might not have been entirely honest when they stated "would you rather have a trans son or a dead daughter"

Puberty blocker curb has not led to suic...

I dunno, seems like at least one of us in this thread actually read the Cass report and was able to sus this out 3 months ago.

Like I get that we are supposed to be civil and what not but I can't express enough how pathetic it is you ****ing clowns think you can just read some gotcha tweet from some anti-trans voice and post it with no background info or context and think that you've won an argument on a complex subject. It just displays an abject void of analysis skills, reason, and understanding. It legitimately make you lot look like absolute imbecells and you have to wonder how a group of people so devoid of said markers of intelligence even managed to survive this long.

I'll bow out of the thread, again, because its completely pointless

coordi, that man you label as an "anti trans voice" is a NYT and Reuters freelance reporter - he's beyond legit

It doesn’t matter. As I mentioned in another thread, many political activists are motivated by something other than actually solving the problem.

The trans activists have been drawing dead since the beginning of this thread without realizing it. As that reality sets in, there will be more unhinged name-calling which will eventually turn into rationalizing and gaslighting attempts.

Do you know what a "freelance reporter" is?

classic stuff. What a gotcha!

coordi, i am actually from that industry - i'm the only person in the thread who actually understands what it takes to be a freelance reporter - after i left my desk job as a foreign correspondent i did some moonlighting as one even while i was still working in tech - i still occasionally write sometimes to this day

you do not rise to that level without a pristine reputation, you can't just submit articles to the nyt and hope an editor says "i like it were publishing this" it's a highly scrutinized process that involves a lot of networking and vetting of your prior work

many choose freelance because they like the freedom of being their own boss, the flexibility - ie they can work on other things like a novel and occasionally submit work to keep the lights on, or they can simply make a lot more money putting out regular content to various publications - by no means at all is it a "step down" the way you are treating it

if anything, it's harder to get published as a freelancer for them than it is to get work as one of their salaried employees because they're more apt to roll the dice on fresh talent who they can train and groom into the nyt way than they can with someone who submits work on spec - they'll set the bar much higher on people they'll accept freelance work from than they would when they are reviewing applicants for junior level reporting jobs

and lastly, if he were posting anti-trans bs on his official twitter that would 100% kill his career - yes he'd probably have something like newsmax to fall back on, but he's smarter than that

just outrageous the mental gymnastics you'll do in order to believe yourself to be correct 100% of the time on this issue

How many times were you asked to define what a woman is? How many times did you answer? Now re-read this rant with that in perspective.

The mental gymnastics you routinely perform are nothing short of spectacular

This thread went silent after I posted the opinions coming from top in Finland along with some research. I asked some obvious questions to those subscribing to gender ideology. Enough time passed so that they could pretend it never happened and move along. They came back. You will too. Have a good one champ

Remember when you asked me? And I said that while nothing good would possibly come from it, I answered. And then you never responded. And then a month or so later you asked again, and multiple people pointed out I had answered and you never responded? And it just continued like that?

Your playbook is fully revealed. You chortle with your pathetic "gotcha" attempt question of "what is a woman?" - Matt Walsh style - and while most people probably ignore you because it is so obviously in bath faith and so obviously is never going to lead to anything constructive, you are the one who ignores things when they are substantively answered so this card you are playing is utterly devoid of substance.

It is hard to believe you can find your own a hole when you can't even find the answers of multiple posters to your stupid "woman" question.

That's an apt moniker.

Why exactly does it matter what the definition of a woman is? The word woman shouldn't even be in any laws or governmental documents. Treat everyone equally and it doesn't matter what gender people want to call themselves.

Vintage uke-tale. How many times did I ask you before you attempted to answer? I'd set the over under at 5. Your "definition" was exactly as expected and the point. Ridiculous. What is a women? A women is someone who imitates female stereotypes + some useless jargon. This is why I had to press you to get an answer and others avoid it. That's not a definition and it's ridiculous. The only other person to answer was the mod. I had to ask multiple times as well. He basically had to reference your response. You posted here in response to me asking coordi who (among others) has been asked multiple times and not responded.

Of course it didn't lead to anything constructive. Your response is ridiculous nonsense which I already explained. I even went through the exercise of trying to use your definition in the real world to highlight how silly gender ideology is for the laziest of thinkers

You didn't answer. You were asked. I'm sure you're holding on to something really clever

Why do you keep going with this schtick?

How do you get male convicts serving and raping in womens prisons without a new made up definition and gender ideology?
How do you get men ruining womens sports, scholorships, etc?
How do you get adults with penises in little girls change rooms?
How do you get medical transition for a 14 year old after a 15 minute dr visit without parental involvement?
How do you get groomers hiding a transitioning kids behind their parents back at school?

It begins where? Lose the "like what's the big deal maaaaan" schtick. If you aren't bothered by the above there's something wrong with you. If you thought it was just being mean to guys in wigs etc, ok, time to wake up

While that is a pretty poor summary of my position, the key point is that you are welcome to not like my definition and to have criticisms of it. Fine. I have criticisms of your posts too. But suggesting it was ignored entirely is just stupid. You got a good faith, detailed response. So you can go around saying "uke gave a BAD definition" but not "uke DIDNT GIVE a definition".

Are you able to see the difference?

I mean the government mandating teachers to tell parents of their children's homosexuality or gender dysphoria/transgender identity doesn't seem super far removed from "1984" to me either. I think it's pretty safe to assume that if a kid is uncomfortable telling their parents about their homosexuality, gender dysphoria, or gender nonconformity, there's often a pretty good reason for that

I also think there are probably way more dipshit (and usually Christian/Muslim) bigots abusing their LGBT children (or that would abuse them upon discovery of their LGBT status) than there are trans-identifying minors who are being led down a path of mostly irreversible medicalization when their gender dysphoria could've been sufficiently handled without it, but it's a lose-lose situation either way

I will acknowledge that things get a bit more complicated with respect to transgender identity specifically, because even many adults who think they have an objective and nuanced understanding of transgenderism are often just parroting some vastly oversimplified narrative that fits what they want to believe, let alone minors. So this is really the only argument I can see for the government mandating that kind of disclosure from a teacher, even though I'm not really convinced it's going to produce more positive outcomes for these kids enough of the time

But I honestly blame Christianity (and the US political/media system) for much of this mess - if it didn't actively foster virulent anti-LGBT attitudes and significantly erode an individual's capacity for critical thinking, then we probably wouldn't have so many kids afraid to disclose their LGBT status to their parents in the first place

People who try to cite studies in an attempt to definitively prove a point regarding transgenderism almost universally have either a poor understanding of statistics or the significant limitations of these studies, or an agenda to push

The study that anti-trans bigots always quote when talking about trans suicide rates is the Williams Institute study (https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/w...), but that study has a specific limitations section which acknowledges that there are highly relevant factors that the study couldn't really accurately account for, with discrimination and social ostracization being highlighted specifically. These are still very serious problems for the trans-identifying people, even in major cities in blue states, and anyone legitimately capable of intellectual honesty should be able to identify that these two things can produce markedly worse mental health outcomes in anyone regardless of anything else

Though I'm definitely sick of people parroting these oversimplified narratives such as "do you want a dead son or an alive daughter," I'm arguably even more sick of people like you who are too overemotional and pigheaded to realize that you're doing just as much harm to both gender dysphoric people and society at large as any of the TRAs (if not more) by parroting oversimplified narratives of your own (or rather, ones that you heard from someone else)

It's not a schtick.

Violent criminals should be executed, not in any prison.

Sports scholarships should be banned, sports have nothing to do with the mission of universities.
I couldn't care less about what happens in professional sports, let the market decide.

No one should have to use a group changing room; individual changing rooms and toilets should always be available.

I don't think any gender care should be done to minors. I don't get how this is related to what I said and treating everyone equally though.

I'm pretty sure that teachers "grooming" children to change genders is not happening enough to base policy on (certainly when compared with students being killed due to easy access to guns).
Again I don't see what that has to do with the definition of woman though.

you may want to go back and read the thread

many such studies have been posted and discussed

to pretend like it's all due to one flawed study is patently absurd

That isn't what I'm suggesting - most (if not all) of the studies done on trans suicide rates don't (or can't) sufficiently account for the impact of social ostracization and discrimination on mental health outcomes, let alone many other potentially relevant factors. If you've ever actually read through any of these studies yourself, you'll note that they usually have a pretty hefty limitations section for this reason. But having been talking about this issue for quite some time now, anti-trans people always used to quote the Williams Institute one specifically

Most of the studies conducted on the issue highlight that trans people almost certainly have higher rates of suicide than the general population, I don't think that's really up for debate. But that's about all we can definitively glean from them at this time, though that certainly isn't going to stop people from trying to use them to push an agenda

Instead of having a moment of internalization "My child despises me, what did I do to cause this?"

Noted "genius" Elon Musk has the realization that "No, I'm a perfect parent" and blames it all on the "Woke mind virus"

Never mind that he runs multiple companies, is autistic, has publicly toxic relationships, and pressures/bribes/coaxes any woman he can to have kids with him. I'm sure he was a fantastic parent in every way and his child despising him has nothing to do with him being broadly narcissistic, sociopathic, and horrifically anti-trans.

From what I've read the oppression story has very little significance in comparison to the astronomical suicide rates. Like you can look at inmates, racial minorites, homosexuals, etc etc and not find anything close to these rates. No I don't have a source off hand but I think it should be fairly easy to look up if you're interested