The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
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From the guy that says the decision should be left up to the parent and doctor. The parent is saying the doctors lied to him and manipulated him into making a decision he regrets .
Why can he not make his opinion public ?
The doctors lied to him or he didn’t do his due diligence to educate himself on wtf he was getting himself and his kid into? Did he get a 2nd opinion. Did he DO HIS OWN RESEARCH LIKE SO MANY DID DURING COVID? For claiming to be the party of personal responsibility, these douches sure are quick to point the finger at someone else. ****ing candy ass cowards.
There is quite literally zero reputable studies that support this claim. Your claim is so ass backwards it’s actually pathetic
If true, this influence exists in both directions, right?
All you have to understand is basic statistical probability and observe ROGD among friend groups.
Of course. I’m not claiming social influence is solely responsible for gender identity. I have several posts in this thread breaking down the psychological part of it.
And your definition of whether a study is "reputable" is whether it supports your ideology. Nice circular reasoning.
Nope. You don’t get to “trust me bro” your way through this. You’re just wrong.
Wrong
Sure. All five teen girls in the friend group have a “true gender” which is the opposite of their bio-sex-gender, and they all just happen to come to realization at the same time.
Like I said, dialogue about this subject with you is of no use, so we’re done.
That's not tough, there is no such thing as free will. You are a machine built to duplicate genetic material. That is all.
You asked me about the problems you thought would result from having an ungendered society.
coordi, i'm still awaiting your apology and retraction
Evolution is driven by random mutations and often does not select for very specific traits. And again, probably almost no one was social prior to 10,000 years ago, and very few just a few hundred years ago.
rob, i genuinely have no clue what craig's thesis is, want to be clear about that, but does evolution not select for survivability?
Have there actually been any studies to try to find out if social contagion is influential in trans identification?
"Here is a made up scenario that proves you are wrong"
K. You gonna just keep posting "trust me bro" stuff?
I know if you try to google about trans social contagion youre going to get bombarded with studies that show its not real. Like I said, I did all the work months ago. Its quite literally the repeated playbook from the anti-gay propaganda from 30 years ago that didn't stick to the gays and now right wingers are pulling out the playbook on the Trans people.
If someone knows the pain might be so terrible that they will never recover from it, that will be a stronger motivator than if they know that it will be bad for a while but they'll eventually get better.
Same thing with an abuser who says "I'll kill myself if you don't do x" - if you know they might actually do it, you'll be a lot more likely to give in to their demands.
You'll be hard pressed to find a single study that supports the validity of trans social contagion. I'd venture to guess you literally wont find one outside of bullshit studies by non-scientific religeous orgs, but I haven't even seen those in my searches.
The closest thing you will find for validity around social contagion from reputable sources is the highly irresponsible suggestion from the Cass report that is quite literally just them theorizing that it might possibly be real.
But again, I'm putting in surface level work here because I expect zero people to read, learn, and grow from this.
There is only so long people will refuse the black pill regarding the current scientific establishment when that establishment is insisting two plus two equals five.
I already addressed me asking. Your response was "No, buuuuuut.....". You know, like "I'm not racist, but....."
wild admission
I think I've thoroughly cleaned up on the topic. Rampage over.
Conscious rationalization is not part of the evolutionary process. Are you saying Darwinistic animals are aware of the possibility that extreme pain may lead to suicide? That seems to be what you’re saying. Do you really think one chimpanzee has the thought that another chimp might have suicidal ideation if it’s in a lot of pain?
Aren’t fear and pain avoidance already extremely powerful? When there is a rustle in the bush, you automatically jump right? Do you need an additional layer that tells you that whatever is in the bush may cause you so much pain that you commit suicide in order to quickly jump back?