The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
So sad to see one of the world’s most influential people come out as openly transphobic and denying his own daughter is trans. Can you imagine sharing such things about your kid to 100 million followers? No wonder he is now a trump supporter.
From the guy that says the decision should be left up to the parent and doctor. The parent is saying the doctors lied to him and manipulated him into making a decision he regrets .
Why can he not make his opinion public ?
From the guy that says the decision should be left up to the parent and doctor. The parent is saying the doctors lied to him and manipulated him into making a decision he regrets .
Why can he not make his opinion public ?
The doctors lied to him or he didn’t do his due diligence to educate himself on wtf he was getting himself and his kid into? Did he get a 2nd opinion. Did he DO HIS OWN RESEARCH LIKE SO MANY DID DURING COVID? For claiming to be the party of personal responsibility, these douches sure are quick to point the finger at someone else. ****ing candy ass cowards.
Another thing, at this point, if you still believe social influence has zero effect on trans identification, then you are so far gone in your religious belief that dialogue is of no use.
There is quite literally zero reputable studies that support this claim. Your claim is so ass backwards it’s actually pathetic
Sure. All five teen girls in the friend group have a “true gender” which is the opposite of their bio-sex-gender, and they all just happen to come to realization at the same time.
Like I said, dialogue about this subject with you is of no use, so we’re done.
coordi, i'm still awaiting your apology and retraction
You are arguing that (a) pain + suicidal thoughts is selected over (b) pain + no suicidal thoughts for the purpose of survival. Take a step back and reconsider. Perhaps you are unable to because of that desire for coherence I mentioned.
Evolution is driven by random mutations and often does not select for very specific traits. And again, probably almost no one was social prior to 10,000 years ago, and very few just a few hundred years ago.
rob, i genuinely have no clue what craig's thesis is, want to be clear about that, but does evolution not select for survivability?
Sure. All five teen girls in the friend group have a “true gender” which is the opposite of their bio-sex-gender, and they all just happen to come to realization at the same time.
Like I said, dialogue about this subject with you is of no use, so we’re done.
"Here is a made up scenario that proves you are wrong"
K. You gonna just keep posting "trust me bro" stuff?
I know if you try to google about trans social contagion youre going to get bombarded with studies that show its not real. Like I said, I did all the work months ago. Its quite literally the repeated playbook from the anti-gay propaganda from 30 years ago that didn't stick to the gays and now right wingers are pulling out the playbook on the Trans people.
Have there actually been any studies to try to find out if social contagion is influential in trans identification?
Why, yes! There has.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...
You are arguing that (a) pain + suicidal thoughts is selected over (b) pain + no suicidal thoughts for the purpose of survival. Take a step back and reconsider. Perhaps you are unable to because of that desire for coherence I mentioned.
If someone knows the pain might be so terrible that they will never recover from it, that will be a stronger motivator than if they know that it will be bad for a while but they'll eventually get better.
Same thing with an abuser who says "I'll kill myself if you don't do x" - if you know they might actually do it, you'll be a lot more likely to give in to their demands.
You'll be hard pressed to find a single study that supports the validity of trans social contagion. I'd venture to guess you literally wont find one outside of bullshit studies by non-scientific religeous orgs, but I haven't even seen those in my searches.
The closest thing you will find for validity around social contagion from reputable sources is the highly irresponsible suggestion from the Cass report that is quite literally just them theorizing that it might possibly be real.
But again, I'm putting in surface level work here because I expect zero people to read, learn, and grow from this.
There is only so long people will refuse the black pill regarding the current scientific establishment when that establishment is insisting two plus two equals five.
i'm sorry then, i must have crossed wires then thinking something shuffle did was you
again, i did not compare to the democrats to the khmer rouge - was talking about them in another thread (forgot i mentioned them here) so was on that tangent still and brought them up as an example of how horrific totalitarian stuff is nearly always met with widespread public approval and it's nearly always done by people who think they are making things be
I already addressed me asking. Your response was "No, buuuuuut.....". You know, like "I'm not racist, but....."
If someone knows the pain might be so terrible that they will never recover from it, that will be a stronger motivator than if they know that it will be bad for a while but they'll eventually get better.
Same thing with an abuser who says "I'll kill myself if you don't do x" - if you know they might actually do it, you'll be a lot more likely to give in to their demands.
Conscious rationalization is not part of the evolutionary process. Are you saying Darwinistic animals are aware of the possibility that extreme pain may lead to suicide? That seems to be what you’re saying. Do you really think one chimpanzee has the thought that another chimp might have suicidal ideation if it’s in a lot of pain?
Aren’t fear and pain avoidance already extremely powerful? When there is a rustle in the bush, you automatically jump right? Do you need an additional layer that tells you that whatever is in the bush may cause you so much pain that you commit suicide in order to quickly jump back?
