Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Congrats on your progress, D2!
Cheers 😀
Thanks for the kind words.
Oh, I've spoken here before about being an alchie, I'm not precious about it. Seems my posting has improved during this period of sobriety, I've been randomly complimented on my humour a number of times recently which is a new experience for me.
3 months is solid. Sometimes the small incremental improvments when you stop go unnoticed and you dont fully realize how much better things really are until you fall back in the cycle. Drinking will always appear better in the rear view mirror than in practice. Which is why it can be so hard to quit. But the +ev and the risk reward definitetly isnt there.
Thanks for the kind words.
Oh, I've spoken here before about being an alchie, I'm not precious about it. Seems my posting has improved during this period of sobriety, I've been randomly complimented on my humour a number of times recently which is a new experience for me.
You are funny either way, but congrats nonetheless because longevity also counts for something.
yeah vic is a gentleman and a scholar, a legend of the docks
if anyone doesn't like him, they can put him on ignore
but we're saying the quiet part out loud here now; my "opponents" must be silenced
I have Victor on ignore, only read the IP thread sporadically and even I have seen this behavior multiple times. In addition to Baby Murderer, the term Nazi is readily thrown around as is the accusation that Jews use dogs to rape Palestinians. The only thing that has changed with new moderation is that the new mod has directed these posters (Vic, PW, Jeff) to use the slurs against “the Israel Goverment” and or the “IDF”. It’s a lame dog whistle that isn’t fooling anyone, which is why Jews don’t feel comfortable posting in that thread and have mostly fled.
This took me a bit under 8 minutes Victor.
To Chillrob "bc you love killing children and you love nazies"
To Mets (and us): "This is what you guys love. murdering babies"
How you'd typically talk to us all
"will provide some material to the zionist baby murder supporters"
I spent no time at all there, did not have to go very far back either. There are SO many of these. You really wanted to try to bluff past this? Imagine if I put in s
So then who chased away Microbet?
I have Victor on ignore, only read the IP thread sporadically and even I have seen this behavior multiple times. In addition to Baby Murderer, the term Nazi is readily thrown around as is the accusation that Jews use dogs to rape Palestinians. The only thing that has changed with new moderation is that the new mod has directed these posters (Vic, PW, Jeff) to use the slurs against “the Israel Goverment” and or the “IDF”. It’s a lame dog
I never directed anything at Jews. its you who is equating the IDF and Israeli govt with Jews in general. thats a messed up pov imo.
Well in fact it was Mets by repeatedly telling him he was a fake Jew for not supporting the genocide.
yo dont forget your (plausible) shield
Well in fact it was Mets by repeatedly telling him he was a fake Jew for not supporting the genocide.
In actual fact it was when Victor was banned for a month. Micro said he'd stop posting then and hasn't been back.
The thread will be pretty dead without him and to help make that one of those self-fulfilling prophesy things, I'll stay out of it until he's back.
Looks like he posted on July 9th in another forum one time but this was his last post here.
But to answer the question about who drove away Micro....it was the mods
I presume Micro left for the same reason a lot of smart sensible people left:
That thread is largely terrible for the average person's emotional well being. And that's because it's overflowing with toxic polarization.
It's not a place to discuss ideas, facts, and nuances. It's largely a place to blame, virtue signal, troll, and hurt. And people who have no interest in that, have either left, or barely post. Doesn't have to be more complicated than that.
I think that everyone who is unhappy with the service they are receiving here should get a a full refund of what they paid for it.
I presume Micro left for the same reason a lot of smart sensible people left:
That thread is largely terrible for the average person's emotional well being. And that's because it's overflowing with toxic polarization.
It's not a place to discuss ideas, facts, and nuances. It's largely a place to blame, virtue signal, troll, and hurt. And people who have no interest in that, have either left, or barely post. Doesn't have to be more complicate
I may not be a smart, sensible person, and I can't speak for micro, but what you wrote above is a good summary of why I have barely participated at all in the I/P thread or the Russia/Ukraine thread. I generally avoid commenting extensively in threads about military conflicts because credible information is hard to find in real time, and a lot of posters simply don't care whether they are relying on credible information.
I also don't know enough about military strategy to comment on what this, that, or the other development or tactic in Ukraine means for the conflict as a whole.
There is extensive credible information from both the Israelis and the Gazans that is readily and easily available. It's probably the most well documented "war" and "plausible genocide" of all time.
I feel like we should take Micro at his word and assume that he left because he wanted Victor around
I presume Micro left for the same reason a lot of smart sensible people left:
That thread is largely terrible for the average person's emotional well being. And that's because it's overflowing with toxic polarization.
It's not a place to discuss ideas, facts, and nuances. It's largely a place to blame, virtue signal, troll, and hurt. And people who have no interest in that, have either left, or barely post. Doesn't have to be more complicate
And mets doesnt contribute to that toxicity?
He said I supported final solution for the Jews based off my posting. I realized I wasn't talking to a normal person after that and avoided the thread.
He deleted that comment not long after I called him out, but what was said was said.
I can't think of any sane reason to ever look at that thread.
I presume Micro left for the same reason a lot of smart sensible people left:
That thread is largely terrible for the average person's emotional well being. And that's because it's overflowing with toxic polarization.
It's not a place to discuss ideas, facts, and nuances. It's largely a place to blame, virtue signal, troll, and hurt. And people who have no interest in that, have either left, or barely post. Doesn't have to be more complicate
I hope that a thread documenting and debating a possible genocide is terrible for people’s well being. It is death for Palestinians. We should all feel terrible regardless of which side you stand on
It’s ridiculous the reasons some posters are being banned. Due to the special nature of Israel , I don’t think it’s appropriate to hold the pro Israel side to a high standard. I think they should be given the benefit of a doubt when they say words that other people don’t like
With regard to Victor, calling the forces killing lots of civilians “baby killers” is a term that has been used at least since the Vietnam war. Anytime militaries start killing thousands of civilians, people call them baby killers.
I do agree that it is not a place to discuss facts but it seems as if most of 2p2 is that way. When someone doesn’t like the facts , they will say those facts are false.
It is quite amusing to watch in real time, and it’s great to be able to quote people’s posts here, I mean it really allows you to show the facts, and have them be indisputable.
I mean if you support a war that is killing civilians then you support killing babies. People should own that.
I drive an SUV that gets 24 mpg highway. I support killing the planet. I'm fine with that.
I mean if you support a war that is killing civilians then you support killing babies. People should own that.
I drive an SUV that gets 24 mpg highway. I support killing the planet. I'm fine with that.
That sort of thing used to be called 'reasonable inference'
It really depends what you mean by support. I 'support' a hell a of a lot I profoundly object to just by paying taxes.
