Vice-President Kamala Harris

It's unclear to me how messed up someone brain needs to be , in order to criticise a 16 pages policy platform because it's not detailed enough, while the candidate you support literally doesn't have a single page of policy proposals yet.

Especially given that the purported missed details are everywhere in the actions of the 4 years when he was president. POTUS can deregulate directly, because it controls the regulatory agencies, and can lease federal land for oil & gas extraction.

For some reasons people in those sectors know what a Trump win would mean; like you know, they know which rules trump had waived, and Biden re-instated

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Your post checkraise is a prime example of arguing in complete bad faith.

The 2012 platform lost the elections lol, ofc you liked it more.

and yet you seem to be able to detailed it previously ?
i think that was the point....

The point is that for every generic policy idea Trump, his advisors, his allies talked about it and did things about it in the past, so you get the plan in detail if you care enough by checking that.

When Biden proposed to forfeit student loans he didn't write in the platform how he intended in detail to use the various legal provisions in a way that allowed for the debt to be forfeited ffs.

He just claimed that he would try his best to forfeit those loans, and we discussed that as a policy proposal. And then we discussed the execution (which ended up being largely illegal, the typical unconstitutional crap democrats try to pull) when it happened.

When Obama went with "yes we can", we weren't there asking in detail a full comprehensive list of WHAT exactly that meant lol jfc.

No Nominee says Ill Try they say they will do it . Biden said he would legalize abortion and impose term limits on the Supreme court full well knowing its never going to happen . I douby the no tax on tips proposed by both candidates gets passed

It could get passed as long as the bill also includes the abolishment of all corporate income taxes and medicaid.

The American people has a right to know what his policies actually are, and they will know exactly what policies Kamala has after the DNC. I will bet you 100 dollars that Kamala and the Democrats’ policy platform will be far more detailed than the slop that Trump presented there. He had 20 points, none of which he goes into detail on, and then ten chapters of repeating the same platitudes and demagoguery.

Look even in the section on immigration there are no facts and statistics used, just fear-mongering without any demonstration of an understanding of the policy. And yeah we have 4 years to go off, during which time he left our economy in ruins and left Joe Biden to clean up his mess, all the while using pressure on the Fed to keep interest rates irresponsibly low.

For crying out loud he said he’s going to protect social security and medicare by drilling oil. His platform is just dumb populist demagoguery that sadly I think too many have fallen into.

Let’s also note that he says he wants to deport pro hamas radicals in his platform. What the hell does that actually mean? He talks about this massive deportation but doesn’t want to tell us specifically what he plans on doing. That should be scary to anyone who understands this guy’s authoritarian streak.

I also want to say about his platform that he is a liar. He went from 2016 saying that there needs to be punishment for the mothers who have an abortion, and recently lying about third trimester abortions, to now suddenly he wants states to decide? He said he knows nothing about project 2025 but makes proposals right out of their playbook like ending the dept of ed? He doesn’t make a single mention of climate change in his platform, instead saying “drill baby drill!”

You know as well as I know that the reason he doesn’t want to put his platform on the table is that the more general he keeps it, the more people can just write their own ideas of what it should be into it. It’s a Rorschach test, an inkblot, and you see whatever you want to see in Trump.

The point about the 2012 platform is to show just how degraded the Republican party has become. You guys don’t care at all about policy, it’s just the cult of Trump. If he says he won the election, you guys don’t have to see any evidence. If he says it was antifa that caused the violence on Jan 6, you’ll believe him. If he says that we should pardon the criminals that were his thugs in trying to end democracy, you’ll follow him. Which I find hilarious because he could have done it before Jan 6 but instead he let these supposed patriots get sent to jail.

The evidence you use that Trump has a platform is laughable. You guys that want to drain the swamp are using the projections of Goldman Sachs saying they will have their regulation lifted as some promising sign of what Trump wants to do. I don’t think deregulated financial sector is what we need, it’s like you guys forgot what happened in 2007/8.

has there ever been any point in recent american politics history where a candidate so quickly gained popularity as kamala has?

listened to an nyt pod last night that spoke about how it's both a combo of people just happy it's no longer biden and that she's the "generic democrat" in that she's such an unknown there isn't much out there to dislike about her yet

which is shocking because she was deeply unpopular as vp but now as a pres candidate everyone seems all in

although a big chunk of this certainly has to do with trump being one of the worst and more divisive candidates ever who luckboxed into facing off vs the worst ever in hilldawg and then lost to a guy who wasn't even good enough to run when it made sense for him to run 4 years later

just absolutely stunned by how quickly kamala has rehabilitated her image so quickly and seemingly without even doing much to get it

Well you have to remember we had barely there Biden and the debate and than the attempted assassination on Trump and Trump crushing the polls and performing non Trump Like and I think bringing some of the never trumpsters back. Than we had the Coup of the democrat party ( Pelosi) were they installed Kamala and managed her with the Obama campaign machine and employed the two Democratic Party News Networks to sing her praises. And of course we can't forget Donald Trump jumps in the deep end of bat shxt crazy .

It is an amazing turn around though from a lower approval rating than Biden to leading in the polls

I guess it’s more a representation of how bad the other side is then how great Harris is .

She’s just the cleanest dirty shirt in the basket .
People just discover how dirtier trump shirt is the more they look at it .

After the two choices they had, people are just relieved.

I think this is it. Tired of old guys I guess.

all it shows is that she was a mystery box that people didn't really have an opinion on, and as such her low popularity rating was just directly linked to brandon. now she's free on that and able to define herself, and yeah the bump is mostly just a product of anyone but these two old white ****heads, though she does seem to be positioning herself to the left of brandon, which might help too

and so far conservatives are floundering trying to define her negatively, in many cases making things worse by being racist and/or misogynistic, turning more undecideds off

Sums it up. People are happy not to have to choose between two awful options.

Everything so far points to a very good candidate with a solid record and strong background, and she seems tough as nails. Her VP pick is pretty much a progressive nod to every voter who claims to not want shills and people out to enrich themselves in politics.

If people are still just going to let conservative media and lazy hate influencers steer every part of their political discourse and go #bothsidesbad whenever the conservative candidate is not clearly winning, then all I can say is that they should probably just hand the keys to Trump and get it over with.

Probably time to change the title of the thread to "Future President Kamala Harris".

This is a done deal.

Sop jinxing everything with your predictions. This is why we never get nice things.

I can believe they are better candidates for me and independent voters without being influenced by maga media’s …

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Kamala Harris isn't there to give anyone nice things. The reason Americans don't get nice things is because they are cowardly and lazy. They keep voting for the same people who deny them the things they work for because of fear.

Not having Trump around is a nice thing. Inso0 has been predicting that Trump will exit stage left (or be forced out by the GOP) any day now for about 7.9 years. Hence I'm asking him not to jinx it this time.

I think you have to factor in the way that she was able to consolidate support behind her. If she had meekly said she is running but wanted to go to convention and play out the process I doubt it would have been as effective. The nation was in crisis and she showed leadership. Very presidential.

Your nice things might not be my nice things. For people that own a home, their nice thing is to stop all new construction so they can continue to grow their home prices, thus causing inflation. For people that don’t own a home, we want cheaper housing. Those two things are at odds with each other and no one in America wants to have that conversation.

You're forgetting that she has to speak soon.

Lots of time after she comes out of hiding for things to develop.

Does she, though?

I'm fairly certain if Kamala sits on her couch and closes all the blinds until November, she'll just win by default.

As long as she isn't talking about the past which was and the future which shall be unburdened by the present that is, she's got this thing on lock.

She's not white AND is female, which instantly locks up enough to beat an old white guy as long as she doesn't do something spectacularly dumb in the next 82 days.

Sure, disagreement on policy, ideology or honesty is more than fair.

The point is that if people let hate influencers and every lazy #bothsidesbad take steer their opinions, then that candidate does not exist and never can. Only idealized facsimiles or people who lost before they needed to form a platform could qualify.

If there is one thing US conservative media and social media love more than anything if it is the world is seen as shitty and people feel like ****. If you think about it for two seconds then you see that this is literally in their slogan, "Make America Great Again". Contemporary US conservatism thrives on apathy in their detractors and anger in their proponents.