Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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If only we had a way to know if that was true.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/24/politics/...

Ocasio-Cortez defends accusing Israel of genocide in floor speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5YMvEo...

Bernie Sanders says Israel should not receive 'another nickel of U.S. military aid'


I don’t think schizo posting about how Greta had an octopus in a picture (she’s autistic and uses it as a soothing technique from what I understand) is a particularly helpful direction for this thread to take.

For the record I think the vast majority of leftists that are on the Palestine side are just stupid or virtue signaling, not antisemitic. Where it gets antisemitic is when they start explicitly supporting Hamas or justifying Hamas violence or justifying Oct 7th.


by checkraisdraw P

Where it gets antisemitic is when they start explicitly supporting Hamas or justifying Hamas violence or justifying Oct 7th.

No one besides Victor is doing that, but keep ****ing that chicken.


by Trolly McTrollson P

No one besides Victor is doing that, but keep ****ing that chicken.


Oh really, so we didn’t have a protest in DC where protestors vandalized a monument with pro-Hamas slogans? We don’t have leftists saying that armed resistance using terrorism is justified because of colonial oppression?

When you can never criticize your own side, no one takes you seriously.


I dont support Hamas. more of a PFLP guy ya kno.

I would really like to know what happened on Oct 7th tho.


https://www.bhol.co.il/news/1673169

and ofc I support armed resistance as specified by International Law as I would have supported Mandela and the Algerians.


by checkraisdraw P

Oh really, so we didn’t have a protest in DC where protestors vandalized a monument with pro-Hamas slogans? We don’t have leftists saying that armed resistance using terrorism is justified because of colonial oppression?

Rallies are made up of a large number of individuals with varying perspectives. That the most extreme broke off and vandalized a monument doesn't indicate what the rest think.

And if by "terrorism" you mean attacks on civilians, I've never encountered such a person.


by checkraisdraw P

Oh really, so we didn’t have a protest in DC where protestors vandalized a monument with pro-Hamas slogans? We don’t have leftists saying that armed resistance using terrorism is justified because of colonial oppression?

When you can never criticize your own side, no one takes you seriously.

I meant to say "no one here" is supporting Hamas, and virtually all of the posters here except Vic have made it clear they don't support Hamas, but you still dishonestly try to smear every anti-genocide person with that idiocy.


I said the vast majority of leftists don’t support Hamas and somehow you took that as me saying that people here support Hamas. Are you telling on yourself?



by Trolly McTrollson P

I meant to say "no one here" is supporting Hamas, and virtually all of the posters here except Vic have made it clear they don't support Hamas, but you still dishonestly try to smear every anti-genocide person with that idiocy.

I've actually not read anyone in here that is defending Palestine exclusively, denounce Hamas, or condemn the 10/7 massacre. I've asked people in here many times to do so... crickets.


by FreakDaddy P

I've actually not read anyone in here that is defending Palestine exclusively, denounce Hamas, or condemn the 10/7 massacre. I've asked people in here many times to do so... crickets.

This is a long thread that you just joined. It's all been said before.


by Bill Haywood P

Rallies are made up of a large number of individuals with varying perspectives. That the most extreme broke off and vandalized a monument doesn't indicate what the rest think.

And if by "terrorism" you mean attacks on civilians, I've never encountered such a person.

You might need to get out more.


^^^Name someone in the U.S. if it's that common.


by Bill Haywood P

Rallies are made up of a large number of individuals with varying perspectives. That the most extreme broke off and vandalized a monument doesn't indicate what the rest think.

And if by "terrorism" you mean attacks on civilians, I've never encountered such a person.

Enjoy a list of professors praising the violence

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/some-...


by checkraisdraw P

Enjoy a list of professors praising the violence

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/some-...

Quick reminder that the ADL helped apartheid south Africa spy on US activists and really just random anti-apartheid activists in the 1980s.


This guy gets it



The PM of Malaysia is probably someone you don’t want to be agreeing with, especially on a topic like this one


Oh what, as opposed to the President of the USA, the holder of the post that has committed war crimes going back decades?


by jalfrezi P

Oh what, as opposed to the President of the USA, the holder of the post that has committed war crimes going back decades?

Matters related to treating minorities as second class people, for one. Malaysia is arguably an actual apartheid state.



by Victor P

Quick reminder that the ADL helped apartheid south Africa spy on US activists and really just random anti-apartheid activists in the 1980s.

When you can’t actually address the points being made so you pivot to irrelevant character assassination.


the point is that the ADL is not a trustworthy organization. its not character assassination if it is true and thats only scratching the surface of their odious acts.


these guys claim it was out of context and then clarified.



by Victor P

the point is that the ADL is not a trustworthy organization. its not character assassination if it is true and thats only scratching the surface of their odious acts.

Yeah you didn’t read it did you? Every single one of the professors’ statements and twitter activity was sourced


by Victor P

these guys claim it was out of context and then clarified.


yeah that was pretty funny.
we were taken out of context! to clarify: we stand by everything we said, and so does everyone other zionist


and apparently the guy on the left worked for netanyahu at some point, so it's not even like these are just two random shithead podcasters


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