Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.
When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.
But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.
If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.
Thanks.
It's unlikely that Pool is completely quitting.
grifters never quit
For these Georgians, Moscow’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022 rekindled memories of Russian aggression in their own country. They want nothing more than for Georgia to slip from the Kremlin’s orbit and continue its march toward a European future.
But many fear the government is now heading in the opposite direction, and that Georgia could be on the cusp of returning to the one-party rule from which it escaped a generation ago.
“The election will be crucial,” Davit Mzhavanadze, a researcher at the Governance Monitoring Center in Tbilisi, told CNN. “If this government keeps power, Georgia will become more Belarusian than European.”
But now it is poised to go much further. Ivanishvili has promised a “Nuremberg trial” against members of the opposition, who have been subject to increasing persecution. During street protests in Tbilisi against the foreign agent law, Levan Khabeishvili – chair of the pro-Western United National Movement (UNM) – said he was brutally beaten by police. He appeared the next day in parliament, his face blackened and swollen.
Khabeishvili has since stepped down as chairman, citing the effect the beating had on his health. He said the assault was meant to intimidate Georgia’s opposition. “Ivanishvili has a Soviet mentality. He’s a Soviet guy,” he told CNN.
Georgia Election
Spoiler
In a dramatic show of unity, Georgia’s often fractured opposition gathered at the presidential palace in Tbilisi, standing shoulder to shoulder behind the president, Salome Zourabichvili, as she defiantly announced, “I do not recognize these elections. Recognizing them would be tantamount to legitimizing Russia’s takeover of Georgia … We cannot surrender our European future for the sake of future generations.”
The government, controlled by the ruling Georgian Dream party, she said, is “illegitimate” and the election it carried out October 26 was a “complete falsification.”
Observations by the International Society for Fair Elections and Democracy (ISFED) were even more stark: “On election day, ISFED documented serious violations, such as ballot stuffing of ballot papers, multiple voting, unprecedented levels of voter bribery, expulsion of observers from polling stations, as well as instances of mobilizing voters outside polling stations, collecting their personal data, and controlling their voting intentions.”
The Pentagon confirms 10,000 North Korean troops are expected to join combat against Ukraine in a few weeks. The US says there will be no restrictions on Ukrainian use of American weapons against these troops. On the downside, of course, US military aid to Ukraine is likely to suffer if Mr Trump takes office. (Mr Trump is quite right that European states should spend more on defence and rely less on the Americans, but then post-war US dominance in Western Europe was a deliberate US policy. As things stand at present as a result, there's only so much the Europeans can do in the short term, and a betrayal of Ukraine would look suspiciously like cozying up to the Dictators' Club.)
Unfortunately for us and for Ukraine, Trump can easily deflect the blame on the house if he has a trifecta and no aid to Ukraine gets passed.
In the very unlikely case of Trump being president but the house being democrat-majority, Trump will probably not veto the aid (that's my guess)
I never agreed with criticism of Orban in the past because I thought his actions made sense for the benefit of its citizens, but him going to Georgia to "confirm" the stolen vote is an atrocious, indefensible choice that must bear harsh consequences.
We should start the process to freeze Hungarian role in the EU
I never agreed with criticism of Orban in the past because I thought his actions made sense for the benefit of its citizens, but him going to Georgia to "confirm" the stolen vote is an atrocious, indefensible choice that must bear harsh consequences.
We should start the process to freeze Hungarian role in the EU
Turns out the fascist was actually fascist, who could have guessed
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Russian bastards hit residential building in Kharkiv with guided bomb. Three floors swept.
12 wounded, but they just started clearing debris.
Have no ****ing words. Every ****ing day they hit residential buildings. Kharkiv. Kyiv. Kryvyi Rih. Dnipro. Kherson. And that's just a small amount that makes it to the news. While if you take the whole frontline cities, every day dozens are killed and housed ruined.
And the rest of the world just watches quietly and wants make it a peace like nothing happens. Sick.
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Russian bastards hit residential building in Kharkiv with guided bomb. Three floors swept.
12 wounded, but they just started clearing debris.
Have no ****ing words. Every ****ing day they hit residential buildings. Kharkiv. Kyiv. Kryvyi Rih. Dnipro. Kherson. And that's just a small amount that makes it to the news. While if you take the whole frontline cities, every day dozens are killed and housed ruined.
No we actually don't? as an european, we are collectively spending something like 10 billions eur + per month to help you guys, why would you treat our collective effort as if it was nothing?? we sacrificed a lot for you
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Russian bastards hit residential building in Kharkiv with guided bomb. Three floors swept.
12 wounded, but they just started clearing debris.
Have no ****ing words. Every ****ing day they hit residential buildings. Kharkiv. Kyiv. Kryvyi Rih. Dnipro. Kherson. And that's just a small amount that makes it to the news. While if you take the whole frontline cities, every day dozens are killed and housed ruined.
And the rest of the world just watc
It is sick. The failure to seriously back you to win while we talk big is tragic.
Ukraine is planning to draft another 160,000 troops into its military as Russia gains ground in the east.
Russia has been advancing in the eastern Donetsk region and on Tuesday said it had fully captured the mining town of Selydove.
It also comes amid reports that a number of North Korean troops have been deployed to Russia.
It is sick. The failure to seriously back you to win while we talk big is tragic.
Man what else are we supposed to do?
Munitions, weapons and everythign else needed to repel russian troops should have been effectively unlimited from very early on. Our resources are massive compared to russia.
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Munitions, weapons and everythign else needed to repel russian troops should have been effectively unlimited from very early on. Our resources are massive compared to russia.
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We didn't have unlimited munitions and weapons stockpiled to give to them in feb 2022, for sure we didn't in europe.
We had a fair bit and mass production should have been the top priority.
This is war not a picnic
Exactly. Russia is stronger. There's nothing "we" can do (nukes notwithstanding).
And besides, the West would prefer to spend resources on burning and burying children alive in Palestine.
Russia isn't stronger than the EU combined militarily but we can't use our own troops.
what we can do to help Ukraine is very different from what we could do if we were attacked directly.
lol EU. the West can do whatever they want. the fact is, they dont want the smoke.
Exactly. Russia is stronger. There's nothing "we" can do (nukes notwithstanding).
And besides, the West would prefer to spend resources on burning and burying children alive in Palestine.
what strange morals you have where you’re posturing war with Russia on the side of Russia and then complain about dead children in Palestine. like I said, you are an immoral person so don’t know why you complain about anyone dying when you clearly love dead Ukranians
