ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
"Issuing a correction" implies they're correcting something they themselves said, which as far as I'm aware is not true at all. I'm sure others have made that claim and Snopes might be correcting them but that's the entire point of the site. The way you've phrased it seems like you're just trying to unjustifiably cast shade on Snopes.
Regarding the actual situation being referenced, the issue with Trump's statement has always been the fact t
Snopes fact checked that claim 7 years later, letting a gigantic, complete lie circulate and becoming a *rallying cry of the democratic campaign against Trump*.
Your take on this? Trump was wrong in thinking there could be fine people protesting the removal of the statue.
I mean even if Trump might have been wrong with that claim, isn't the fact that purported fact checkers let a huge, prime time, mainstream lie circulate SEVEN YEARS a lot more important?
Unless you are already on our team "leftist fact checkers are utter irrelevant crap" which would be fine as well, are you?
You mean the (checks notes) NY Post article was a lie? I mean, this is massive, call the mayor.
mets wrote "issued a correction", the NY post didn't.
Checking on the wayback machine, the fact check appeared on june 20th, they had never fact checked it before (or if they did it was on another page which i can't find).
You mean the (checks notes) NY Post article was a lie? I mean, this is massive, call the mayor.
Actually the NY Post article doesn't call it a correction at all, that choice of wording to disparage Snopes was all mets's doing. The article does seem to imply that this statement from a 2020 campaign video:
“The President of the United States assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it,” Biden claimed in the video. “And in that moment, I knew the threat to this nation was unlike any I’d ever seen in my lifetime.”
was invalidated by the fact-check though, which is not true at all.
That is a weird one, because technically what they did does match what they wrote (making the total add up to less than the bill + tip, implying they weren't getting the full tip) but the difference was less than 10% of the tip and even after that the tip was still over 20% of the bill, which all seems pretty ineffective for trying to make their point.
Honestly in both the contexts of "people making political points in totally inappropriate
I read it as someone thinking that adding the same number of cents as the bill would somehow round up to a whole dollar amount somewhere. I know that doesn't make a huge amount of sense, but it's hard trying to figure out the thought process behind 26.62 + 6.62 = 34.62.
Maybe they figured out that adding a number ending in 50 cents to another number ending in 50 cents resulted in a round number and extrapolated from there.
1 - it's always been tough to get tone in an online forum.
2 - I couldn't figure out any way that would be considered funny (and still don't).
3 - after reading so many claims that seem to be crazy on this forum, I no longer assume any claim couldn't possibly be what someone believes...
4 - even more strongly now, as I recently started reading the fringe conspiracy thread. It's more likely that someone has a lot of friends in the KKK, etc.,
I must have missed the note where in order to mock someone’s transparent bullshit I have to be funny
Duly noted for next time. Thanks for the note
I read it as someone thinking that adding the same number of cents as the bill would somehow round up to a whole dollar amount somewhere. I know that doesn't make a huge amount of sense, but it's hard trying to figure out the thought process behind 26.62 + 6.62 = 34.62.
Maybe they figured out that adding a number ending in 50 cents to another number ending in 50 cents resulted in a round number and extrapolated from there.
man it's 28+6, they just added 6
Snopes fact checked that claim 7 years later, letting a gigantic, complete lie circulate and becoming a *rallying cry of the democratic campaign against Trump*.
Your take on this? Trump was wrong in thinking there could be fine people protesting the removal of the statue.
I mean even if Trump might have been wrong with that claim, isn't the fact that purported fact checkers let a huge, prime time, mainstream lie circulate SEVEN YEARS a lot m
My experience with fact checkers is that while I'm sure they do editorialise with what they decide to cover, when they do cover something they are generally very unbiased with their rulings. This specific case is definitely something that they could have chosen to cover earlier and it's reasonable to assume there was probably some bias in choosing not to (it's weird that they have chosen now to do so actually - has it been in the news again recently for some reason?).
I think you're overstating how often this specfic claim was made as well. Obviously referencing the fine people on both sides quote happened all the time but in my recollection it was very rare for it to be claimed that he was deliberately including white supremacists/neo-nazis in the statement. The issue was almost always with drawing the equivalence between the two sides, e.g. the Biden video quote.
Regarding fact checkers generally though, I certainly don't think they are completely useless and irrelevant. If they have covered something they're generally very good at linking to direct sources to justify their conclusions so if nothing else they're useful for finding those sources even if you choose to disregard their conclusions.
"Issuing a correction" implies they're correcting something they themselves said, which as far as I'm aware is not true at all. I'm sure others have made that claim and Snopes might be correcting them but that's the entire point of the site. The way you've phrased it seems like you're just trying to unjustifiably cast shade on Snopes.
Regarding the actual situation being referenced, the issue with Trump's statement has always been the fact t
No
Snopes listed the claim that Trump said it as True 6 years ago
Now they changed it
My experience with fact checkers is that while I'm sure they do editorialise with what they decide to cover, when they do cover something they are generally very unbiased with their rulings. This specific case is definitely something that they could have chosen to cover earlier and it's reasonable to assume there was probably some bias in choosing not to (it's weird that they have chosen now to do so actually - has it been in the news again
I overstate it?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-...
SNOPE ITSELFS claims it lol : Specifically, Trump's critics claimed he called the neo-Nazis and white supremacists at the rally "very fine people." This claim spread like wildfire, with then-presidential candidate Joe Biden making Trump's comments on Charlottesville a cornerstone of his campaign.
I am a libertarian who leans very right on the economy and very left on some social issues, moderate on others. I am expected to be radical in many, most things compared to the status quo because the status quo is very very very far from libertarian miniarchist values.
I don't troll and don't accept that insult.
what insult?
Luciom,
Any way you slice it, Trump's comments were complete indefensible.
The rally occurred on August 11-12. On August 12, Trump blamed the "egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides."
Trump was widely criticized for attributing blame to "many sides." Three days later, on August 15, in what could only have been calculated remarks, Trump made the remark you are referring to, in which he said that there "were very fine people, on both sides" and then went on say that he wasn't referring to neo-Nazis or white nationalists.
The next day, Bannon praised Trump's refusal to back down as a "defining moment" in the Trump presidency.
By the time Trump made his remarks on August 15, it had been widely reported that white supremacists and Neo-Nazis had been heavily involved in both organizing and participating in the rally. Trump knew that when he made his comments on August 15. Indeed, the only reason he said anything on August 15 was because he was reacting to criticism of his earlier comments.
If you showed up at that rally without knowing that it was organized by Richard Spencer and his buddies, it would have been immediately apparent upon your arrival. At that point, you have two choices. You can leave, or you can stay and participate in a white nationalist rally. If you choose Option B, you lose your claim to being a "fine person."
This was nothing more than an attempt to bake a little plausible deniability into a transparent appeal to bigots and white supremacists.
Snopes, a fact-checking website, has recently issued a correction regarding a statement made by former President Donald Trump in 2017. The correction acknowledges that the media misrepresented Trump's statement, which was initially reported as him calling neo-Nazis "very fine people." The correction comes six years after the initial reporting, raising questions about the timing and motivations behind it.
How was anything misrepresented? I have always known what is full statement was.
And what questions does it raise? Do they think Snopes, which they call left-leaning, is trying to help Trump now?
even in the light most favorable to the trump side, there are still no people actively protesting removing confederate statues that are "very fine people".
Just a veritable who's who of fine people.
The iconography is oddly evocative.
I read it as someone thinking that adding the same number of cents as the bill would somehow round up to a whole dollar amount somewhere. I know that doesn't make a huge amount of sense, but it's hard trying to figure out the thought process behind 26.62 + 6.62 = 34.62.
Maybe they figured out that adding a number ending in 50 cents to another number ending in 50 cents resulted in a round number and extrapolated from there.
Obviously that person meant to add a tip of 6.00 but had a brain fart and put 62 in all three numbers instead of two.
