President Joe Biden

President Joe Biden

Right now, we need VP Biden, we need him to step down and drop out so Bernie sanders can save this country from this global crisis just like FDR.

A thread to debate the efficacy of a Joe Biden Presidency in the midst of a global pandemic and impending Great Recession/Depression.

Where is Joe Biden? Can he beat Trump and is he even trying to? What would a Joe Biden Presidency look like in these times? Where is he and why isn't he leading?

20 March 2020 at 09:14 PM
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by rickroll P

jfc that's worse than anything biden or trump ever said

While she did speak in a roundabout way, she actually did explain that AI takes inputs, processes it, produces an output, which can be in the form of a prediction, decision or opinion (somewhat strange take but sure we could think of it as the AIs opinion about what to do or what something is). She said nothing incorrect; not even close to the worst things Biden or Trump have said.


by REALphysical P

While she did speak in a roundabout way, she actually did explain that AI takes inputs, processes it, produces an output, which can be in the form of a prediction, decision or opinion (somewhat strange take but sure we could think of it as the AIs opinion about what to do or what something is). She said nothing incorrect; not even close to the worst things Biden or Trump have said.

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by campfirewest P

AI and ML are not the same thing.....

by smartDFS P

3) briefly served as "AI Czar" giving speeches indicating she had no idea what AI was

if you are the appointed czar on a subject you shouldn't need to have your supporters frame it in pre-emptive defense as you did

by REALphysical P

(somewhat strange take but sure we could think of it as the AIs opinion about what to do or what something is)


imagine if we had a poker czar and they didn't understand the difference between a big blind and a preflop limp or raise and used them interchangeably - would you also be defending that person that it's a "somewhat strange take but sure we could think of it all as preflop action"



by rickroll P

see below

if you are the appointed czar on a subject you shouldn't need to have your supporters frame it in pre-emptive defense as you did


imagine if we had a poker czar and they didn't understand the difference between a big blind and a preflop limp or raise and used them interchangeably - would you also be defending that person that it's a "somewhat strange take but sure we could think of it all as preflop action"

I mean we don’t have true AI so everything is a result of what we teach the program… via a machine


Do you think we have A.I.?


by PointlessWords P

I mean we don’t have true AI so everything is a result of what we teach the program… via a machine


Do you think we have A.I.?

high time you watch terminator son


by rickroll P

high time you watch terminator son

Also 2001 A Space Odyssey. Kubrik was probably involved in more conspiracies than just the moon landings 😉


monkeys investigating things

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by campfirewest P

What do you mean by this? The dude is a complete vegetable.

Yes. And yet he is still the significantly better choice because of Trump’s pathology.

The Democratic Party is terrible at the game of politics. The GOP is a steaming pile of feces full of wretched human beings (although TRUE conservative principles have value in our republic, but that type of GOPer has been driven out of the party by the ****sticks) yet the Dems cannot figure out how to beat them. Trump is easily the worst human being ever to be nominated by a major party and thus easy to crush. But they can’t do it. Utter dipshits.


How would you compare Musk to Trump?


by formula72 P

How would you compare Musk to Trump?

They’re different. Musk is on the ASD spectrum I believe; Trump isn’t.

Trump’s body of work is much larger (he’s been on the political scene in some form for decades), so he’s easier to evaluate.

Trump is a carnival barker, used car salesman, self-promoter. Musk seems to actually be able to DO things (he’s an engineer I believe). Trump cannot do anything.

I don’t really have an opinion on Musk, other than he ****ed up Twitter and revolutionized the electric vehicle world.


DT and Elon are similar that they were both born extremely wealthy and recently both have decided it's easy to swindle right wingers.


He lies about being rich in his youth and having a dad who owned slaves


by MrDavitWilliam P

Musk seems to actually be able to DO things (he’s an engineer I believe).

he's not an engineer, he knows a decent bit about it from being self-taught and did code a bit at his first company but once he sold that and did what eventually merged with paypal he was no longer coding

same with tesla/space-x type stuff, he's understands it well enough to know what his actual engineers are talking about in meetings but no, he could not design an engine or doorknob himself


he's very much like jobs, a manager who tells the engineers "this is what we're building" and perhaps gives some input along the way and does play a major role in it so should get some credit but without engineers working under him it could never happen whereas if the same team of engineers were to work without him they'd probably build something different, but they'd be able to do it

his real skill initially was a willingness to put millions of dollars of his own money into ventures that appear very risky to outsiders - but that's a lot easier to do when you're born into generational wealth and can afford to lose millions of dollars

his real skill now is convincing the world an autist born into one of the wealthiest families in the world is a cool dude who is a genius and pulled himself up by his own bootstraps


his grandfather or great grandfather (i forget offhand) literally pioneered the concept of flying around and seeing the world - he is literally the original "jetsetter"

musk is from an old money family but he lies and tells stories like he needed to work odd jobs at farms and lumber mills and sell $5 cups at parties to get by


long story short...

by MrDavitWilliam P

Trump is a carnival barker, used car salesman, self-promoter. Musk seems to actually be able to DO things

they are basically the same


by 72off P

long story short...

they are basically the same

Musk is on the ASD spectrum. Trump is a severely damaged human with serious personality defects. In my opinion that makes them very different.


by MrDavitWilliam P

Musk is on the ASD spectrum. Trump is a severely damaged human with serious personality defects. In my opinion that makes them very different.

Musk was also successful at marketing a new form of currency that convinced a lot of people to invest into an asset that was previously fully disclosed as being counterfeit.


Charlie Munger quipped about the dangers of someone with an IQ of 150 but thinks it's 170

He sure as hell wasn't talking about trump


by chezlaw P

Charlie Munger quipped about the dangers of someone with an IQ of 150 but thinks it's 170

He sure as hell wasn't talking about trump

Munger said that he would rather hire someone with an IQ of 130 who thinks it’s 120, rather than someone with an IQ of 150 who believes it’s 170. His reasoning was that he preferred self-awareness over raw intelligence. In his view, someone who overestimates their abilities can be problematic, while a more modest individual can be a better team player.

I think it certainly applies to trump since he'd be hiring a man who's IQ was 90 and thought it was 180 and would be believed to be the type of person who wouldn't be a team player and would overestimate their abilities - whcih seems to be very true of trump.


by formula72 P

I think it certainly applies to trump since he'd be hiring a man who's IQ was 90 and thought it was 180 and would be believed to be the type of person who wouldn't be a team player and would overestimate their abilities - whcih seems to be very true of trump.

fwiw it he was specifically speaking about elon

and from what i've read about trump, he doesn't actually think he's very smart, that's just campaign/marketing stuff - ie he also knows full well he's not in the greatest shape of any president etc but he can say he is because people are stupid

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one of the best quotes of his that i read was he was on a jet with some models and they were flying over an area with a lot of trailer parks and someone commented about white trash, one of the euro models didn't know what that word meant so asked and donald answered "they are just like me but without money"


by MrDavitWilliam P

Musk is on the ASD spectrum. He and Trump are severely damaged humans with serious personality defects.

fyp


by smartDFS P

fyp

No, you didn’t. You ****ed it up. Write your own ****ing posts. Trump is worse than ANYONE currently on the US political radar and it is not close.


by MrDavitWilliam P

Trump is worse than ANYO currently on the US political radar and it is not close, now I'm going to log out of my alt account and resume watching granny porn.

fyp


by rickroll P

see below

if you are the appointed czar on a subject you shouldn't need to have your supporters frame it in pre-emptive defense as you did


imagine if we had a poker czar and they didn't understand the difference between a big blind and a preflop limp or raise and used them interchangeably - would you also be defending that person that it's a "somewhat strange take but sure we could think of it all as preflop action"

Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence are extremely similar concepts. Machine learning is a subset of AI that covers much of but not all of what it is. Both terms refer to wide fields that are not precisely defined. Confusing specific, exactly defined terms like preflop limp and big blind is not at all analogous. A true analogy would be confusing something like a neural network weight with a node.

I pointed out that she actually said correct things with no clear mistake, which is true. Obviously the so-called defense can't be pre-emptive since I said it after watching the video. And it's perfectly legitimate to say the output of something complicated like deep neural network or language model is it's opinion. However since it's not common usage, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt by giving you credit for just misunderstanding, hoping that you aren't dismissing her just because you don't like how she speaks, her tone of voice, etc.

But clearly you've already decided she doesn't know what she's talking about. That very well may be, I haven't seen anything of her talking about AI besides the video, but the video does not in any way prove your point. That was the whole point of my first post. Go ahead and show some evidence where she does actually make a mistake or show a misunderstanding, and then we'll know you aren't just assuming she's dumb/etc. because you don't personally like her or her political views.


i think you too need to watch terminator


by rickroll P

he's not an engineer

Elon is Chief Engineer @SpaceX since its inception.


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