2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
Queer nukes are going to be soooo fun
Yea ok, maybe that is just how I consider it. You're right, d2_e4 , I do hear that a lot.
The world's richest man recently hosted a soft-ball interview on a gigantic social media platform which he owns, where he talked to an (alleged) billionaire ex-president in what was a badly disguised campaign event.
This is obviously the epitome of anti-establishment.
Conservatives do not think along the lines of class warfare, this is a liberal trait.
I'm mixed, I like regulation. I like the epa, faa etc etc. I like unions. But I know why a poor conseravtive wants very little govt. Not about money.
Exactly.
But then reality strikes and they complain they are poor …
Afterwards they need a target to blame -> federal government, immigrants, non republican folks, etc.
Despite most of them benefiting the most from federal budget .
Go figure .
Liberals I know don't think of it in terms of class warfare, but more in terms of common sense regulation. It's more about a balance of power. If you remove laws and checks and balances on business, they run a muck, inevitably do the wrong thing, and gain too much power. Too much power inevitably turns into some form of dictatorship/authoritarianism. So it's always about the correct balance of laws and regulations.
You've read some history
Well I would say generally I completly agree with you. All day. Doesn't mean much for you, I am a degen. But I am looking at other side more now. Do not like the use of prosecutors in politics, thats for latin america. Also way left becoming norm without the ability to disagree, the ban hammer.
But if I can go back a few years... if that is allowed. Im in. I remember as kid going to eat at a steak house on the hudson river in nyc. They had a sign, no GE exces allowed. Dumping in the river I think. And Unions are best thing to ever happen, 40 hr week, health care, pension. A rich boss will bury you and take every ounce of work you got. Those early union guys got shot, pinkertons. I do not hate govt. Dont wana live in the woods with a raccoon hat, no thx.
Exactly.
But then reality strikes and they complain they are poor …
Afterwards they need a target to blame -> federal government, immigrants, non republican folks, etc.
Despite most of them benefiting the most from federal budget .
Go figure .
And again... where do they get this messaging that, government bad, destroy government good ?
The billionaires that they supposedly trust.
You know how some things are really nuanced, and you expect that it can get too complicated for people to really understand... so you can get when a good portion of people don't get it.
This isn't one of them right? This should be like, a 10 out of 10 obvious... so we can ask, what's blinding them or getting them to believe something that makes utterly no sense? I think most on the left know the biggest culprit here... and that culprit is futile to try and break through, which is frustrating as hell.
And again... where do they get this messaging that, government bad, destroy government good ?
The billionaires that they supposedly trust.
You know how some things are really nuanced, and you expect that it can get too complicated for people to really understand... so you can get when a good portion of people don't get it.
This isn't one of them right? This should be like, a 10 out of 10 obvious... so we can ask, what's blinding them or gett
You seem to not be able to even imagine people can exist, that even if they aren't rich, they don't ****ing want "government" or in general people they dont know to have any say about how they live their lives.
They aren't anarchists at all they want rules for their place, normal, common sense rules like all places had in centuries and millennia. They want those rules to be written and enforced by people who live nearby (and they know the address). Everything else they feel like dictatorship and they don't give a ****.
Well I would say generally I completly agree with you. All day. Doesn't mean much for you, I am a degen. But I am looking at other side more now. Do not like the use of prosecutors in politics, thats for latin america. Also way left becoming norm without the ability to disagree, the ban hammer.
But if I can go back a few years... if that is allowed. Im in. I remember as kid going to eat at a steak house on the hudson river in nyc. T
Well, in all seriousness, I give you props for at least understanding the above. If you've ever had a non-union job, and have the benefit of working a union job, it will instantly be obvious which one is better (in nearly all cases).
As far as the "ban hammer" though as you say... this is mostly a social media thing. Most normal interaction, that doesn't happen (and not saying it never does). It also demonstrates, as a bit of an analogy w/ computers and AI, the speed at which computers can accelerate cultural understanding. Most of this world is still just babies in this world of socializing via computers... so people are bound to make mistakes. But computers / social media will continue to accelerate how we understand our world, because the best ideas are LIKED, subscribed too, etc... and if you happen to not really be at the forefront of accepting others, you're going to get downvoted in a way that 20 years ago, didn't exist.
Yea FreakDaddy, I really do think we are making great strides in society, but I am uncomfortable with the last few years or so. I think there is going to be great resistance from now on. I really do. Not a social media thing imo. People feel threatend, maybe misguided but not healthy. Worsing econmoy will only make this more intense, like inflation has. People no likely daddy anymore. He talks too much, demands too much, who needs him.
Chapt GPT ...
In “The Prince,” Machiavelli suggests that to successfully take over a republic, a ruler must either destroy it completely or live there personally to manage it directly. He argues that republics have a strong memory of their former freedom and will always strive to regain it, making them more resistant to control compared to principalities.
You seem to not be able to even imagine people can exist, that even if they aren't rich, they don't ****ing want "government" or in general people they dont know to have any say about how they live their lives.
They aren't anarchists at all they want rules for their place, normal, common sense rules like all places had in centuries and millennia. They want those rules to be written and enforced by people who live nearby (and they know the ad
Oh, I can imagine... I'm just trying to demonstrate how what you're saying is stuck in a faulty logic loop.
Watch...
I don't want much government, because I don't trust the government will do the right thing.
Yet the government is just a body of people, which is DEMOCRATICALLY held to it's position by YOU and all Americans... they can be fired and replaced if they become corrupt or do a bad job. In other words, you have a say in how your culture, local and federal government look.
You instead want...
Billionaires to control the government, and have limited rules. But if those billionaires become corrupt (which 90%+ of them do, and most of them had to be corrupt to become billionaires in the first place), you have ZERO say in their removal. Sure, you can try and not buy their products, services or whatever... but they will inevitably own most of their industries, so you won't have the option of choices.
So you're trusting people with no real levers of control, over your fellow Americans, which the controls and levers in your hand.
Again.. just read a book about other wealth concentration times in America, and what happened. How many times do you need to see the same play before you remember the final act?
Oh, I can imagine... I'm just trying to demonstrate how what you're saying is stuck in a faulty logic loop.
Watch...
I don't want much government, because I don't trust the government will do the right thing.
Yet the government is just a body of people, which is DEMOCRATICALLY held to it's position by YOU and all Americans... they can be fired and replaced if they become corrupt or do a bad job. In other words, you have a say in how your cult
it's like the 29th time you say "billionaires", but people know the most powerful billionaires until recently were actually on team "democrats".
Gates is a huge one, with his role during covid. Enough people know Bezos owns a leftist newspaper. And so on.
Yes Musk changed the game a little but twitter isn't that big in rural america.
"corrupt billionaires own the government" is how they feel about *democrats*
Yea FreakDaddy, I really do think we are making great strides in society, but I am uncomfortable with the last few years or so. I think there is going to be great resistance from now on. I really do. Not a social media thing imo. People feel threatend, maybe misguided but not healthy. Worsing econmoy will only make this more intense, like inflation has. People no likely daddy anymore. He talks too much, demands too much, who needs
I don't disagree. Most people tend to evolve their thinking slowly. Too much at once, and there's generally an ego retraction. That's kind of the situation we're in now, but again, that's because we're still just babies at this computing / social media thing. I'm older, and I was at the forefront of this before most people even knew what a computer was. I think things will probably get worse for a while, but eventually correct and get better.
If you don't like where we're at as a society, how would you say we got here? How did we get to a place where corporations could price gouge and take advantage of health crisis?
it's like the 29th time you say "billionaires", but people know the most powerful billionaires until recently were actually on team "democrats".
Gates is a huge one, with his role during covid. Enough people know Bezos owns a leftist newspaper. And so on.
Yes Musk changed the game a little but twitter isn't that big in rural america.
"corrupt billionaires own the government" is how they feel about *democrats*
Wait, what... so Republicans, being the party of big business, are really trying to make democrats into billionaires.
There's a serious plot twist for sure.
Ty for the laugh.
I am not a rural republican I am telling you what they tell me.
Ofc they have a long list of things that could be done better for them but in most cases it isn't about federal government (whether they know it or not).
They are bigly against illegals though.
Like raging with foam even thinking about them.
But trust me when I tell you that just not seeing this person, or anyone like them, anymore in any position of power for them is more than en
people in power in the USA are psychopathic murders. whatever you think may be off-putting about the lifestyle or identity pales in comparison to the fact that she is a striving participant in the most murderous enterprise in history.
I don't disagree. Most people tend to evolve their thinking slowly. Too much at once, and there's generally an ego retraction. That's kind of the situation we're in now, but again, that's because we're still just babies at this computing / social media thing. I'm older, and I was at the forefront of this before most people even knew what a computer was. I think things will probably get worse for a while, but eventually correct and get bette
There is a "populist" (but correct, and libertarian) theme about intellectual property that is bipartisan (corporatist) that people usually don't even know exists.
IP protections are absurd in most cases and even when they make sense they should be far more short lived. But it's a politically impossible topic to tackle. Even the radical left in its long list of requests forgets IP. Only libertarians (and not even all of them) have destroying the walt disney act, and patent evergreening, in the top20 of things to do.
We could have that conversation if we are all in good faith, but i truly don't see a path to actual political change on that. The enemy is too strong and fully bipartisan.
American billionaires’ political spending overwhelmingly leans Republican
A record-breaking $881 million were donated by the country’s 465 richest people
Wait, what... so Republicans, being the party of big business, are really trying to make democrats into billionaires.
There's a serious plot twist for sure.
Ty for the laugh.
What do you make "make democrats into billionaires". Bloomberg just spent like what, 300? 400 millions in primaries in 2020. As a democrat. Are you for real?
Soros donates hundreds of millions every cycle.
Mackenzie Scott (bezos ex wife) is one of the biggest donors (to ultra leftist political issues) in american history. Melinda gates is donating a ton as well to ultra radical causes.
It's wild that there are people really as ignorant as FreakDaddy out there. I thought most people knew and were just down with it. The USA is a known oligarchy. The politicians under their control transcend party lines. What you're describing in regards to Billionaires running the country and doing what they want is already happening, and everyone knows it. HFS.
What do you make "make democrats into billionaires". Bloomberg just spent like what, 300? 400 millions in primaries in 2020. As a democrat. Are you for real?
Soros donates hundreds of millions every cycle.
Mackenzie Scott (bezos ex wife) is one of the biggest donors (to ultra leftist political issues) in american history. Melinda gates is donating a ton as well to ultra radical causes.
https://qz.com/american-billionaires-pol...
You can also go to opensecrets.com
If you really think what you're saying, you've been massively bamboozled. W/o Soros contributing what he does... dems would be dead in the water in terms of billionaire donations.
It's wild that there are people really as ignorant as FreakDaddy out there. I thought most people knew and were just down with it. The USA is a known oligarchy. The politicians under their control transcend party lines. What you're describing in regards to Billionaires running the country and doing what they want is already happening, and everyone knows it. HFS.
This is the normie rural republican take. The people who know how to use their hands to fix a car engine (i don't). The people who sometimes slaughter their animals to eat them later (i don't). The people who have 5 or 10 or 15 guns and thousands of ammos just in case (i don't). The people that made america great, unique (i didn't)
https://qz.com/american-billionaires-pol...
You can also go to opensecrets.com
If you really think what you're saying, you've been massively bamboozled. W/o Soros contributing what he does... dems would be dead in the water in terms of billionaire donations.
I think you are choosing to not count as political, any donation to causes that are emintently political but not officially linked to the democratic party.
When bezos donates 10 ****ing billions to the "climate fund", that's 100% democrat cronies eating on that money, not a republican in sight, that's a donation to the party that doesn't register as one, but it is.
There are no republicans making a living to "save the climate" ffs.
I think we got here because people are corrupt and money has done its thing. In my dream situation, we dont really need to change anything here. Need a middle of the road guy, I hoped RFK. I know silly me. But the real problem is the debt and us dollar. Huge problem, like really bad. If the bond market wakes up, we all die. But we need to calm down for a decade. AI, health advancements. China just cured diabites with stem cells. Good things are ready to happen. Let us calm down and keep making progress. Middle of the road. But fix debt
Repbulicans want less spending, Democrats more taxes. Great news everyone wins do both asap.
Spending easy. Bye bye military. 70 years holding it down in the wolrd, over. There will be flare ups all over, we do nothing, good luck with that. We seem so close to what those dmt drugies talk about, the singularity. Lets calm down and see what can happen.
But that is my dream. Also unions need to make a serious comeback. Wall Street is not the answer. I can see corps need bonds, but giving everything to shareholders is not the way. imo I think a change in wall street would help what you are saying with corporations and price gouge, but also the dollar is dying. And the poor will never keep up, rich are ok but they are not in dollars. Gotta fix the books.
edit - brother inlaw is a lineman. great union, makes 150k. they have a stock, but you buy it for the dividend because that company got taken over by the union. No zoom zoom stock. It can work.
This is the normie rural republican take. The people who know how to use their hands to fix a car engine (i don't). The people who sometimes slaughter their animals to eat them later (i don't). The people who have 5 or 10 or 15 guns and thousands of ammos just in case (i don't). The people that made america great, unique (i didn't)
It's also the take of every independent journalist on Youtube and anyone with half a brain that's been paying attention for the last 30 yrs.
It's wild that there are people really as ignorant as FreakDaddy out there. I thought most people knew and were just down with it. The USA is a known oligarchy. The politicians under their control transcend party lines. What you're describing in regards to Billionaires running the country and doing what they want is already happening, and everyone knows it. HFS.
Ya, stupid me... go on, please continue telling me what I believe or how I see the world.
You think because I still believe corrupt democracy is more valuable than overt oligarchy, I don't understand how the system is gamed?
I come from a family of politicians, and I understand and know the underbelly quite well. My family has been in national news for decades.
