US Immigration Crisis
I didn’t see an immigration thread so I figured I would add one. This problem seems to be worsening everyday of the current admin. Hopefully some of our new elected officials can help with this. Mr. Luttrell is a great start
Demand isn't how badly people want something, it's how much they are willing and able to pay for it.
you have this odd and mistaken obsession with a false belief that the lack of low income housing is due to not enough workers to build it when it's rather that developers pursue higher ROI projects and only build this stuff when the government mandates or subsidizes it enough to where it has the same ROI as building high end properties
No, I've never said that and I don't disagree with you - though it's a combination of restrictions on land and zoning along with higher ROIs building for rich people that prevents affordable housing.
Regardless, no housing will be built without construction workers. Like 20% of all houses in Texas are newer than 15 years old. Most of them are for upper-middle class people, sure, but it could never happen without a ton of immigrants in Texas.
yes, so do you see now why people who aren't able to pay as much would get squeezed out and it's not due to a lack of people able to build the homes?
Yeah, and it's why it's rich people and absentee owners and corporate owners who cause the housing crisis in California and not immigrants.
In Texas you can have poor people living in little old houses though while they build big new houses for people who leave California because they can't afford it and home prices for those McMansions aren't quite as crazy in Texas.
How many of you guys are landlords? Lozen, Ins0, anyone else?
I was a landlord on and off for about 6 years
So we're up to five!
Yeah, and it's why it's rich people and absentee owners and corporate owners who cause the housing crisis in California and not immigrants.
In Texas you can have poor people living in little old houses though while they build big new houses for people who leave California because they can't afford it and home prices for those McMansions aren't quite as crazy in Texas.
but on the same token you now must concede the key focus here, is that there's already a desperate shortage of affordable housing in metropolitan regions the USA and bringing in hundreds of thousands of migrants isn't going to make that magically go away - even if 100% of all new migrants starting building homes, they would be building homes they couldn't afford to live in
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but on the same token you now must concede the key focus here, is that there's already a desperate shortage of affordable housing in metropolitan regions the USA and bringing in hundreds of thousands of migrants isn't going to make that magically go away - even if 100% of all new migrants starting building homes, they would be building homes they couldn't afford to live in
If life for immigrants is that bad for them here, then they won't come. But mostly they won't be coming to San Francisco and they'll be going to some crappy places in West Texas or Arizona or Merced where housing is more affordable. Or maybe where there's more housing than people like the depopulating midwest.
If life for immigrants is that bad for them here, then they won't come. But mostly they won't be coming to San Francisco and they'll be going to some crappy places in West Texas or Arizona or Merced where housing is more affordable. Or maybe where there's more housing than people like the depopulating midwest.
you haven't thought through the logistics
Maine has brought in plenty of immigrants and refugees lately, they are housed in converted abandoned warehouses in the middle of nowhere with nothing to do and nowhere to go because they don't have any cars and the nearest place of employment is 20 miles away
they may as well be in prison - it'd be no different
also, burglaries are up sharply where they warehouses are because that'll obviously happen when you have hundreds of people penned up in a warehouse with nothing to do all day
you haven't thought through the logistics
Maine has brought in plenty of immigrants and refugees lately, they are housed in converted abandoned warehouses in the middle of nowhere with nothing to do and nowhere to go because they don't have any cars and the nearest place of employment is 20 miles away
they may as well be in prison - it'd be no different
also, burglaries are up sharply where they warehouses are because that'll obviously happen
The problem is they don't have legal status and aren't allowed to work and it's illegal to hire them.
The people who died fixing potholes at 1am on the Baltimore bridge were from Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala and Mexico.
These are the people that Luciom thinks are drags on society and should be shot if they try to cross the border.
luciom, like myself, seems to be a fan of latinos. he may be hesitant to post a list of countries he's not a fan of, as am i.
also, they were all UNION workers afaik, which means they were legal citizens.
And this legal vs illegal is transparent bullshit. No one who says this wants anywhere near the numbers of people who come and want to come here.
And anyway, they likely weren't. Two thirds of Guatemalans and Honduras in the US are currently undocumented. The one guy I saw any details on had been in the US for 18 years and likely got some kind of amnesty or something in that time, but most likely originally just crossed the border without
i dont see why you are so against setting up boundaries on how many people can come here. at some point, maybe not now, a tipping point will be reached.
Those are the people we do want coming into the country. We have a shortage of trades . Trust me I build houses I have looked into bringing in temporary workers from Mexico. I personally do not care what color my trades are . Though I do not pay cash under the table
You do realize with legal migration they need to live somewhere and generally rent. I know from my history with rentals immigrants are by far better tenants than fair skinned wh
i am union trade member and highly, highly suggest both hiring mexicans and help getting them their papers. fantastic people to work with.
A tipping point where'd they rather not come?
I'm so against it because I think it's wrong, as in immoral.
a tipping point as in we just cant handle more people.
you can think its immoral but you are being overly idealistic. there are definitely people who will come here with the sole purpose of causing harm to our way of life. certainly, you must agree with this.
luciom, like myself, seems to be a fan of latinos. he may be hesitant to post a list of countries he's not a fan of, as am i.
also, they were all UNION workers afaik, which means they were legal citizens.
I am a fan of Latinos with particular focus on those fleeing from communist dictatorships which should have an easier explicit path to enter the USA or Europe.
We should treat Venezuelana and cubans better than others.
Hating communism is a moral imperative and a crucial element to consider someone worthy of the privilege (yes it is a privilege) to share the prosperity we deservedly have because our ancestors did more for prosperity than other people ancestors (and so we fully deservedly inherited that)
We have a hundred + years of history pointing to you being completely wrong and literally just your opinion to the contrary
so because the tipping point hasn't been met yet, i am wrong?
the sun will die one day. you going to point out the millions of years of data that says otherwise to trump me?
