The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
Having one’s identity respected is not a “privilege”. It is a basic human right. This may be where you go awry in your thinking.
Having one’s identity respected is not a “privilege”. It is a basic human right. This may be where you go awry in your thinking.
It's not a basic human right under the American federal constitution.
It is not under the Italian constitution
It is not under the "declaration of human rights" used by the UN.
It is not in most constitutions in the world as far as I know.
It might be for you but why should your opinion matter at all?
Who decides what's a basic human right if not constitutions?
Maybe this attempt to force your very minoritarian worldwide opinion about what is a basic human right is what makes the forum goes away at your moderation.
Why do you think you can decide arbitrarily what is a basic human right?
Btw I can't think of any constitution where "respect" is a human right (of your identity or of anything else).
Maybe a constitution like that exists, but I don't know anything about it. Could be ignorance on my part.
Any link to articles of constitutions declaring a right to be RESPECTED exists?
Having one’s identity respected is not a “privilege”. It is a basic human right. This may be where you go awry in your thinking.
This would follow if there were no universal truths about identity, solely subjective truths. I hold that the self / soul is universal even if the trans identity has (temporarily) supplanted the self / soul in the trans person.
I think you’re mistaking me for gangstaman, who has the patience to engage with some of you on these topics.
Per the UN: However, to date there is no universal definition of hate speech under international human rights law. The concept is still under discussion, especially in relation to freedom of opinion and expression, non-discrimination and equality.
not really, but if the expression used is "a basic human right" that's not a forum rules is it? crossnerd wants to claim something very different from "these are our rules".
she wants to claim those are rules accepted worldwide or something like that.
she could go "even if in complete contrast with the federal constitution, we arbitrarily believe that x y z here".
but she didn't go that way. she has a claim of moral superiority
The UN’s stance on freedom of expression and freedom of opinion is quite similar to the US first amendment. Since we’re using “human rights” as our measuring stick, then there has been a ton of unfair moderation here which would violate those posters’ “basic human rights.”
i'm very pro free speech. in my book, you can walk into any U.S. town square and shout essentially whatever you want, except maybe fire
that is not the same as expecting -- or demanding -- a private message board retain anything you post on their website. what they allow is entirely subjective based on their preferences. no court will hold that your posts stand.
i'm very pro free speech. in my book, you can walk into any U.S. town square and shout essentially whatever you want, except maybe fire
that is not the same as expecting -- or demanding -- a private message board retain anything you post on their website. what they allow is entirely subjective based on their preferences. no court will hold that your posts stand.
Of course this is true that they can shut down this thread anytime they want, but this isn’t about free speech; it’s about the moral high ground.
on a separate politics issue i've argued 2p2 should avoid banning/scrubbing posts that aren't PC. but justifying that on constitutional grounds is ridiculous
on a separate politics issue i've argued 2p2 should avoid banning/scrubbing posts that aren't PC. but justifying that on constitutional grounds is ridiculous
I am not "justifying it on constitutional ground".
I am asking where the hell she takes the "basic human right" for something she likes if it is not in the constitution of any first world country.
Man don't joke with me. She went " respect for identity is a basic human right" not "respect for identity is an arbitrary rule of this forum".
There’s no requirement for moral high ground as it regards to respecting another persons humanity and aspects of themselves they consider to be intrinsic to their identity.
I’m not going to keep edgelording around with you, Luciom, on these subjects. You have a categorical inability to post within the guidelines of these forums, other moderators outside this forum have privately voiced their opinions on us allowing you to still post here, and frankly I don’t think you’re long for here unless you completely stop this constant testing of the fences.
I would suggest, as I did to originalgangster, that you stop drawing my attention.
Btw I can't think of any constitution where "respect" is a human right (of your identity or of anything else).
Maybe a constitution like that exists, but I don't know anything about it. Could be ignorance on my part.
Any link to articles of constitutions declaring a right to be RESPECTED exists?
While gender identity isn't explicitly mentioned in the universal declaration of human rights it is very much considered to be a protected category within it by the UN nowadays to the point of having a specific mandate that covers it. That has published things containing language such as:
This report endorses the recommendation issued in 2015 by the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (A/HRC/29/23), which indicates that the process of legal recognition of gender identity should:
• be based on self-determination by the applicant;
• be a simple administrative process;
• be accessible and, to the extent possible, cost-free;
• not require applicants to fulfil abusive medical or legal requirements;
• recognize non-binary identities (gender identities that are neither “man” nor “woman”);
• ensure that minors also have access to recognition of their gender identity.
and
Lack of legal recognition negates the identity of trans and gender-diversepersons. It compromises their right to health; their right to freedom of movement and residence, including to leave any country; their access to housing and social security; and it fuels discrimination, exclusion and bullying in contexts of education and employment.
Both taken from Gender identity - key findings (2018) at https://www.ohchr.org/en/special-procedu...
You can disagree with the principle but I would consider a right to legal recognition a significantly stronger right than simple "respect" and that is clearly something that the UN believes falls under their human rights declaration.
lol
she could go "even if in complete contrast with the federal constitution, we arbitrarily believe that x y z here".
but she didn't go that way. she has a claim of moral superiority
