The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
There is an extreme part of the trans movement that feel violence is the answer and its a small minority but its concerning
You aren't supposed to say the quite part out loud lozen. The amplification of [bad trans person does bad thing] that we've highlighted in right wing media all comes with this unspoken suggestion that it is somewhat representative of the "extreme part of the trans movement".
There is of course nothing - NOTHING - about the "trans movement" that is supportive of mass shootings of churches. This is a seemingly fabricated trans person with a fabricated motive being part of fabricated movement.
Stop that.
There is an element of the community that will not allow you to speak out against biological males competing against women or speak up how you regret transitioning up
This is pretty dubious, but setting that aside, it is not the same thing as shooting up churches.
Step back from your computer on this one.
If you’re an investigative reporter and you dig up enough information through police reports to find aliases someone has used, you would also be able to see that the person is identified as female and she/ her in each of those police reports and that that person has a history of being arrested for forgery. The only wayI see you could assume and report trans from that information is if you were being disingenuous (i.e “lying” ).
The damage has already been done, similar to the misreporting in the uvalde shooting incident.
LOL that you're actually doubling down on this nonsense. A "rise" that means absolutely, positively, nothing. As jjjou812 asked - "Do you really lack any ability to understand what is a casual connection between two facts?"
Yes the majority of trans folks are awesome folks . There is an element of the community that will not allow you to speak out against biological males competing against women or speak up how you regret transitioning .
WTF does this have to do with anything?
We had someone who said he had no sympathy for the victims because they were religious. God forbid I offend you
This isn't about me being offended, it's about people shitting on the trans community every ****ing chance they get, and you happily amplifying it.
If you’re an investigative reporter and you dig up enough information through police reports to find aliases someone has used, you would also be able to see that the person is identified as female and she/ her in each of those police reports and that that person has a history of being arrested for forgery. The only wayI see you could assume and report trans from that information is if you were being disingenuous (i.e “lying” ).
The damage
This. But of course lozen's gleefully rushing off to the Trans Visibility thread because there's a rumour in the right wing derposphere that was super important to share immediately because there's this sharp rise in transgender mass shootings that we've got to put a stop to, or something.
Lozens mind: Stop talking about trans gender athletics = we should go shoot up churches!
apparently genesee moreno used to be jeffrey moreno
idk if that means trans or not, but it's understandable why people would draw that conclusion
wildest thing is she brought her 7 year old child with her to the shooting who was shot in the head in the ensuing gun battle
Not wild if you consider mental illness.
"Most important moment in her life", she brings her child, makes actual sense.
The police basically held a press conference detailing how they invetigated and determined what the lunatics preferred pronouns were
That should end the debate
The *Houston* *right-wing* police, doing it's job.
Because investigating the state of mind, motives, personality and so on of the perpetrator of a heinous crime (or attempted perpetrator) is actually indispensable technically
An absolutely baseless allegation, but not a surprise given the guy that shits out such beliefs daily here. What evidence do you have that this person wasn't acting alone? What evidence links her to a trans movement? How is the movement linked to the church?
Fully agreed.
Please keep in mind your very correct take when right-wing people are accused of being the motivating factor in other people insane killing sprees.
Because yes it works the same on both sides.
Sorry for the multiple posts.
I think everyone who read my content gets approximately what I think about the topic of trans-ness.
I think it would be obscene and morally bankrupt to blame "trans activism" or "gender theory", for this event we are discussing, as rationally and pragmatically we have absolutely no reason to think her violent, terrorist attitude was linked to trans-ness.
I have a hard time keeping up with all the changes in the world. I am old and mentally slow.
When a (former?) man goes by the masculine name Jeff and then changes it to a female name and sort of looks like a lady, what is the correct term to call them if not trans?
Fully agreed.
Please keep in mind your very correct take when right-wing people are accused of being the motivating factor in other people insane killing sprees.
Because yes it works the same on both sides.
I usually wait for a reason(s) given for an attack before I try to attach any ideological motivations, right or left.
I have a hard time keeping up with all the changes in the world. I am old and mentally slow.
When a (former?) man goes by the masculine name Jeff and then changes it to a female name and sort of looks like a lady, what is the correct term to call them if not trans?
sublime, she was not a former man. She has always identified as a woman. She did use a number of aliases for criminal activity including jeffrey but never referred to herself as a man. She was born a biological woman and the 7 year old that she brought to the shooting is her biological child.
sublime, she was not a former man. She has always identified as a woman. She did use a number of aliases for criminal activity including jeffrey but never referred to herself as a man. She was born a biological woman and the 7 year old that she brought to the shooting is her biological child.
Ok, fair enough. If that's actually the case I can see why people would be upset at her being labeled trans.
I have a hard time keeping up with all the changes in the world. I am old and mentally slow.
When a (former?) man goes by the masculine name Jeff and then changes it to a female name and sort of looks like a lady, what is the correct term to call them if not trans?
We have reasons to believe she was always a woman, she used "Jeffrey" for some fraud or something
Pretty big if confirmed
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A new study challenges the common assertion that gender-dysphoric youth are at elevated risk of suicide if not treated with “gender affirming” medical interventions. If it’s true, it ought to have a seismic impact on the accepted medical approach to gender-confused youth.
Reported in the BMJ, the study examines data on a Finnish cohort of gender-referred adolescents between 1996 and 2019, and compares their rates of all-cause and suicide mortality against a control group. While suicide rates in the gender-referred group studied were higher than in the control group, the difference was not large: 0.3% versus 0.1%. And — importantly — this difference disappeared when the two groups were controlled for mental health issues severe enough to require specialist psychiatric help.
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https://unherd.com/newsroom/new-study-tr...
But if the Finnish study is correct, this whole rhetorical, legislative, and medical edifice may be built on sand. If the elevated risk of suicidality in trans youth disappears when you control for other psychiatric difficulties, this suggests strongly that trans youth are not more at risk due to transphobia or invalidation, but due to the well-documented fact that gender dysphoria tends to occur in people who are disturbed and unhappy more generally.
Last I heard that was unconfirmed, but I'm not clear on why you think that's important.
Several msm outlets claimed the church shooter was transgender but used male and female aliases and had free Palestine sticker on her gun. She also suffered from schizophrenia so it's anyone's guess what the motive was.
Several msm outlets claimed the church shooter was transgender but used male and female aliases and had free Palestine sticker on her gun. She also suffered from schizophrenia so it's anyone's guess what the motive was.
I thought now we know he was not or she was not . The person just used the aliases to commit fraud
I thought now we know he was not or she was not . The person just used the aliases to commit fraud
My response was to Bobo's comment that it was unconfirmed, in the sense that the shooter's background hadn't been mentioned.
Motive could be due to resentment against her in laws.
https://news.yahoo.com/lakewood-church-s...
The motive for the shooting remains unclear, but investigators said that Genesse Moreno had a sticker which read “Palestine” on the butt of the rifle.
Police have also since recovered some antisemitic writings, they said.
Christopher Hassig, with the Houston Police Department’s homicide unit, said that at the time of the shooting Moreno was in the midst of a familial dispute with her ex-husband and his family, who are Jewish.
“We think this is where this stems from,” he said.
Several msm outlets claimed the church shooter was transgender but used male and female aliases and had free Palestine sticker on her gun. She also suffered from schizophrenia so it's anyone's guess what the motive was.
My response was to Bobo's comment that it was unconfirmed, in the sense that the shooter's background hadn't been mentioned.
FWIW, I was aware the background had been mentioned, although at that time there were conflicting reports on that. I said unconfirmed that the shooter was trans because it was unconfirmed, in the sense that it was unconfirmed.
But of course lozen didn't need any confirmation to drop in with his "rise in trans shooters" so he could pivot to his hot take about "an element of the community that will not allow you to speak out against biological males competing against women or speak up how you regret transitioning". Naturally he just slinked away when questioned on why he felt the need to post about the shooter in this thread, and now has quietly slinked right back in.
FWIW, I was aware the background had been mentioned, although at that time there were conflicting reports on that. I said unconfirmed that the shooter was trans because it was unconfirmed, in the sense that it was unconfirmed.
But of course lozen didn't need any confirmation to drop in with his "rise in trans shooters" so he could pivot to his hot take about "an element of the community that will not allow you to speak out against biological
I clarified the gender of the shooter . As the media and myself repeating what media said was not accurate. My apologies for clarifying that .
Oh hopefully I’m not slinking back in
Several msm outlets claimed the church shooter was transgender but used male and female aliases and had free Palestine sticker on her gun. She also suffered from schizophrenia so it's anyone's guess what the motive was.
Did the story completely disappear from MSM as predicted? Or it is still being discussed?
We fully expect in the future that you will refer to this shooting as involving a transgender shooter. You will probably use it again to refer to "the rise" of these events.
And yes, you habitually drop out of the conversation when you find yourself out on a limb and reappear later, just to make another unsupported claim, without admitting any prior wrongdoing or falsehoods.
Rinse and repeat.
I clarified the gender of the shooter . As the media and myself repeating what media said was not accurate. My apologies for clarifying that .
Oh hopefully I’m not slinking back in
The real issue was never about the gender of the shooter, it was why you felt the need to bring it here in the first place. Had the shooter been transgender, it still had zero relevance to this thread. The right derposphere of course jumped on what they thought was a great opportunity to **** on transgender people once again, and sadly you chose to amplify that. It's disappointing when you continually claim that you're good with transgender people, that you just have an issue with some extreme part of the transgender community you're convinced is a really big problem. If that's the case, a good way to show it would be to not jump at any chance to put transgender people in a bad light.
The US has a big enough mass shooting problem that among the thousands of incidents that occur, it's only natural that a few would be committed by transgender people, and unless we know their gender identity was related to the motivation of the shooting, it seems to me that said identity is nothing but a stastical footnote.
