The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
I wonder how many more it will take before they've evened up the score with the number of religious people who have murdered LGBT people throughout history?
Until it seems about even, I'm not going to mind this kind of thing a bit.
Didn't you try to argue in another thread about how you're working to make the world a better place?
Didn't you try to argue in another thread about how you're working to make the world a better place?
Yes. The fewer churches there are, the better the world will be.
But that's really irrelevant, I'm not going to shoot up any myself, I just don't feel particularly bad when that happens.
Maybe 1 out of every 1000 churches are a net negative on the world. To say anything otherwise is the height of ignorance.
A vast, VAST majority of God-fearing people are just out to love and be loved. The crazies you see on TV are no different than any other extreme wing of whatever ideology you want to look at.
Is the Joel Osteen church the 1 or 1 of the 1,000?
I have no idea who he is, but those mega churches are sort of a class of their own. The people at the top obviously siphon off a bunch of money for their mansions and private jets, but there's usually a massive infrastructure underneath them for outreach and community benefit.
It's the "CEOs are killing America" argument with a religious twist. If you take all the CEO salary and distribute it to the underlings, everyone gets a 75 cent raise. The company still does a lot of work in terms of employing people and bettering society.
Most of the people in the mega churches are just normal holy citizens collecting coats for the homeless, sending money to Africa, or hosting grief classes for widows and widowers. The dudes at the top might be corrupt, but the good outweighs the bad.
But even then, the mega churches are vastly outnumbered by small ones where the pastor lives on site and has never seen the inside of a private jet and the congregation just wants to make their community a better place.
Blah, blah, blah and avoided the question. Strike as non responsive.
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Why is trans people are considered normal to not respecting the reality of their body but if someone hearing stuff (schizophrenia) that is not real is sick , or a person seeing itself fat while the person isn’t because she just anorexia or someone like I describe earlier , being Chinese for example but in his head is white for example .
And there is many more ( like muscle dysmorphia , etc) .
There is a big difference of being gay and actually thinking your body is wrong about who u are where every physical cells tells u in your body says the contrary of what u believe or WISH …..
No idea why u believe it’s the mind that is correct and the body that is wrong ?
Who makes that call ?
Ps: for what my question was more aim at the gender people not trans directly but maybe they are considered the same ?
Yes I might have a preconceived opinion but that’s because I’m wired a lot to the physical reality we live in and I trust it .
And like I said , if u think it’s normal to disregard what sex u are , it’s certainly not different for someone rejecting the reality of his race .
Is the same thing and I was serious in thinking that is the next step .
Btw the kids stuff is insanely irresponsible imo .
Their brain aren’t even finish developing yet so how can anyone think a kid is not to young to at least finish is brain development before deciding which sex he/she belong too .
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publicat....
The brain finishes developing and maturing in the mid-to-late 20s. The part of the brain behind the forehead, called the prefrontal cortex, is one of the last parts to mature. This area is responsible for skills like planning, prioritizing, and making good decisions.
6. Mental illnesses may begin to appear during adolescence.
Ongoing changes in the brain, along with physical, emotional, and social changes, can make teens more likely to experience mental health problems. The fact that all these changes happen at one time may explain why many mental illnesses—such as schizophrenia, anxiety, depression, bipolar disorder, and eating disorders—emerge during adolescence.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article....
Such evidence supports the hypothesis that the adolescent brain is structurally and functionally vulnerable to environmental stress, risky behavior, drug addiction, impaired driving, and unprotected sex. Computed tomography and MRI studies also provide evidence in support of this hypothesis.19
Brain maturation occurs during adolescence due to a surge in the synthesis of sex hormones implicated in puberty including estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. These sex hormones augment myelinogenesis and the development of the neurocircuitry involved in efficient neurocybernetics. Although tubulinogenesis, axonogenesis, and synaptogenesis can occur during the prenatal and early postnatal periods, myelinogenesis involved in the insulation of axons remains under construction in adolescence. Sex hormones also significantly influence food intake and sleep requirements during puberty. In addition to dramatic changes in secondary sex characteristics, sex hormones may also influence the learning, intelligence, memory, and behavior of adolescents.
The development and maturation of the prefrontal cortex occurs primarily during adolescence and is fully accomplished at the age of 25 years. The development of the prefrontal cortex is very important for complex behavioral performance, as this region of the brain helps accomplish executive brain functions.
Fwiw messing with hormone of unfinished brain development seem A pretty bad idea to me ….
Maybe 1 out of every 1000 churches are a net negative on the world. To say anything otherwise is the height of ignorance.
A vast, VAST majority of God-fearing people are just out to love and be loved. The crazies you see on TV are no different than any other extreme wing of whatever ideology you want to look at.
I didn't say the religious people are all bad. Hopefully they could still do good things without a church.
“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
― Steven Weinberg
I can confirm the lakewood church shooter is not trans.
Instance number 800 billion of the trans community being scape goated and gaslit.
Why is trans people are considered normal to not respecting the reality of their body but if someone hearing stuff (schizophrenia) that is not real is sick , or a person seeing itself fat while the person isn’t because she just anorexia
A trans person is not under the delusion that their genitals or chromosomes are not what they actually are. It's also very possible, and many people do this, to be trans and be a fully functioning person. There doesn't have to be dysphoria or impairment in life from being trans.
On the other hand, having schizophrenia is not very functional and comes with actual breaks from reality. Similarly, a person with anorexia doesn't just want to be thinner, they literally view their body as being bigger and taking up more space than it does. It's extremely unhealthy and distressing to have anorexia.
apparently genesee moreno used to be jeffrey moreno
idk if that means trans or not, but it's understandable why people would draw that conclusion
wildest thing is she brought her 7 year old child with her to the shooting who was shot in the head in the ensuing gun battle
Doesn't seem trans:
Soon after news broke that a person had entered Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas, on Sunday and opened fire, right-wing influencers, Republican politicians, and right-wing media outlets, including Fox News, pushed a false narrative that the suspected shooter was transgender.
https://www.advocate.com/news/false-tran...
Didn't we learn this lesson back in the day with the whole Cuepee dave chapelle attacker thing? There is a subset of the internet who will take [bad thing alleged trans person does] and massively amplify it around, even when the evidence is rather dubious that the person even is trans. Of course it shouldn't matter at all whether they are or are not trans - there are crazies that do crazy shootings in the US (the problem is the guns not the trans people folks) and every once in a while the bad things are going to be done by trans people, but that doesn't mean we should all rush to the forum to talk about the bad trans person doing the bad trans thing. And if we do that before it is known they are trans that shows a particular over-eagerness.
Of course it shouldn't matter at all whether they are or are not trans - there are crazies that do crazy shootings in the US (the problem is the guns not the trans people folks
Right. I'm still not clear on why it was even brought to this thread in the first place. Lozen, any insight on this, and what was it you wanted to discuss about it?
Right. I'm still not clear on why it was even brought to this thread in the first place. Lozen, any insight on this, and what was it you wanted to discuss about it?
When a black church is shot up do we provide the details of the race of the shooter? When a gay nightclub is shot up we delve into the makeup of the shooter. Many times their manifesto is also released
This may be the second shooter that targeted a religious place to shoot up and was trans. There is an extreme part of the trans movement that feel violence is the answer and its a small minority but its concerning
There is an extreme part of the trans movement that feel violence is the answer and its a small minority but its concerning
An absolutely baseless allegation, but not a surprise given the guy that shits out such beliefs daily here. What evidence do you have that this person wasn't acting alone? What evidence links her to a trans movement? How is the movement linked to the church?
When a black church is shot up do we provide the details of the race of the shooter? When a gay nightclub is shot up we delve into the makeup of the shooter. Many times their manifesto is also released
Sure. I think it's silly to engage in a bunch of debate about background and motive when the details clearly aren't confirmed yet, but yes, this happens all the time. But that's not the issue here. This isn't a thread about the shooting, or crime, or gun control. It's about trans issues, and apparently you thought it was really important that when the possibility that maybe it was a trans person came up, you had to run to this thread and post it to make some kind of point, like...
This may be the second shooter that targeted a religious place to shoot up and was trans. There is an extreme part of the trans movement that feel violence is the answer and its a small minority but its concerning
LO****ingL with this nonsense again.
Here, maybe this will help dispel your concerns that the right-wing derposphere has been feeding you:
Sure. I think it's silly to engage in a bunch of debate about background and motive when the details clearly aren't confirmed yet, but yes, this happens all the time. But that's not the issue here. This isn't a thread about the shooting, or crime, or gun control. It's about trans issues, and apparently you thought it was really important that when the possibility that maybe it was a trans person came up, you had to run to this thread and po
If there was no rise in trans shooters and now there is 2 than there is a rise . Yes the majority of trans folks are awesome folks . There is an element of the community that will not allow you to speak out against biological males competing against women or speak up how you regret transitioning .
We had someone who said he had no sympathy for the victims because they were religious. God forbid I offend you
Doesn't seem trans:https://www.advocate.com/news/false-tran...
Didn't we learn this lesson back in the day with the whole Cuepee dave chapelle attacker thing? There is a subset of the internet who will take [bad thing alleged trans person does] and massively amplify it around, even when the evidence is rather dubious that the person even is trans. Of course it shouldn't matter at all whether they are or are not trans
correct. instead of covering the actual story, sources like fox news made things up without basis as part of a ridiculous narrative that smears one of the most marginalized groups that is being attacked like never before.
When a black church is shot up do we provide the details of the race of the shooter? When a gay nightclub is shot up we delve into the makeup of the shooter. Many times their manifesto is also released
This may be the second shooter that targeted a religious place to shoot up and was trans. There is an extreme part of the trans movement that feel violence is the answer and its a small minority but its concerning
Do you really lack any ability to understand what is a casual connection between two facts?
At least we weren't treated to another Biden whataboutisms.
