Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Probably because although "all lives matter" is a right-wing troll, it's actually a left-wing value that all lives do actually matter and someone probably thought your saying that some human beings have low value was abhorrent - even if they disagreed with the politics of those people.
no the infraction was because of purported insults to a fellow poster (because CN misread the post), it is not against the rules to consider right-wing low info voters low value, or all the leftists in this forum would have been Perma banned already.
no the infraction was because of purported insults to a fellow poster (because CN misread the post), it is not against the rules to consider right-wing low info voters low value, or all the leftists in this forum would have been Perma banned already.
It was even funnier because you said they should die if they read something false on the internet and believe it. lol
So I’ve overturned Luciom’s infraction because he is correct that I misread it as a personal attack to another poster.
The bad news is that upon review his post is actually worse than what I previously believed, and demonstrates a callous disregard for the lives of those suffering from Hurricane Helene, and describes them as “low value” if they were to believe the spread of misinformation.
It is abhorrent posting, and, given the consistent pattern of Luciom’s contributions to the forum, will be moderated in kind.
In other news, the soup was an Italian sausage in Parmesan cream broth with mushrooms, sweet onions, and spinach mmmm
So I’ve overturned Luciom’s infraction because he is correct that I misread it as a personal attack to another poster.
The bad news is that upon review his post is actually worse than what I previously believed, and demonstrates a callous disregard for the lives of those suffering from Hurricane Helene, and describes them as “low value” if they were to believe the spread of misinformation.
It is abhorrent posting, and
I never saw the post in question, but FWIW, using "low value" and "high value" to refer to individuals or groups of people is pretty common in the "right wing" social media world, and certainly isn't considered morally "beyond the pale" like you perceive it.
IMO it is pretty equivalent to the prevalence on the left saying, "from the river to the sea" and arguing when they say that they aren't saying anything beyond the pale; even if many (especially many Jews) disagree.
Expect dozens of righteously indignant posts when the temp ban expires.
but FWIW, using "low value" and "high value" to refer to individuals or groups of people is pretty common in the "right wing" social media world, and certainly isn't considered morally "beyond the pale" like you perceive it.
The fact that something is pretty common and acceptable on right wing social media isn't particularly relevant imo.
The fact that something is pretty common and acceptable on right wing social media isn't particularly relevant imo.
it is because it sets expectations, especially for someone who is navigating behind a cultural and language barrier and needs that crutch
fwiw i still have utterly no concept of what it was that he said which got him banned so it's clearly not a simple matter
So I’ve overturned Luciom’s infraction because he is correct that I misread it as a personal attack to another poster.
The bad news is that upon review his post is actually worse than what I previously believed, and demonstrates a callous disregard for the lives of those suffering from Hurricane Helene, and describes them as “low value” if they were to believe the spread of misinformation.
It is abhorrent posting, and, given the consistent p
Yet your ok with all the lefties referring to Trump supporters as worse just as your ok spreading false information about JD Vance and his couch yourself .
I am sure many people in these disaster zones and previous ones like Hawaii and east Palestine feel like low class citizens the way they are treated .
Its sad
it is because it sets expectations, especially for someone who is navigating behind a cultural and language barrier and needs that crutch
fwiw i still have utterly no concept of what it was that he said which got him banned so it's clearly not a simple matter
I would not think there was anything wrong with using the term "low value" the way he does. Once the moderator spelled out how she perceives the term, I can understand her perspective, and wouldn't choose that hill to die on.
But like I said, it is pretty common in the online social media vernacular, doesn't carry such connotations in this milieu, and it isn't self evident it is beyond the moral pale.
it is because it sets expectations, especially for someone who is navigating behind a cultural and language barrier and needs that crutch
fwiw i still have utterly no concept of what it was that he said which got him banned so it's clearly not a simple matter
He said he didn’t care if all the Helene victims die if they’re stupid enough to believe online information about how to receive aid, and referred to them as low value lives.
The post is still up, fwiw.
Luciom is frankly nearing the end of his time here. I said last time that the next instance would be a perma, but I’ve decided to give him one more chance to get it right. The constant wishing people dead or executed needs to be toned way the **** back, though.
I think if we're banning for misanthropy then I have some names I'd like to nominate.
Yet your ok with all the lefties referring to Trump supporters as worse just as your ok spreading false information about JD Vance and his couch yourself .
I am sure many people in these disaster zones and previous ones like Hawaii and east Palestine feel like low class citizens the way they are treated .
Its sad
He said that he didn’t care if Trump supporters die if they see misinformation. Ironically me, a lefty, was arguing that it’s pretty messed up that people are spreading all these conspiracies about FEMA and misrepresenting the amount of aid that effected people are getting, and that I think it’s getting people killed.
He said if they can’t google info to see if it’s correct then they don’t deserve to live.
So the lefty was the one caring about Trump supporters and the righty was the one wishing death on them. Sad!
Except you're a lib not a lefty.
Kinda respect a man who can **** a couch, the chafing would be way too painful for most guys.
He said he didn’t care if all the Helene victims die if they’re stupid enough to believe online information about how to receive aid, and referred to them as low value lives.
The post is still up, fwiw.
Luciom is frankly nearing the end of his time here. I said last time that the next instance would be a perma, but I’ve decided to give him one more chance to get it right. The constant wishing people dead or executed needs to be toned way the
He said that he didn’t care if Trump supporters die if they see misinformation. Ironically me, a lefty, was arguing that it’s pretty messed up that people are spreading all these conspiracies about FEMA and misrepresenting the amount of aid that effected people are getting, and that I think it’s getting people killed.
He said if they can’t google info to see if it’s correct then they don’t deserve to live.
So the lefty was the one caring abou
Your right I looked for the post and could not find it. In the context I would agree a suspension is warranted but when individuals here wished Trump dead all they got was a warning
My apologies to Crossnerd
it is because it sets expectations, especially for someone who is navigating behind a cultural and language barrier and needs that crutch
fwiw i still have utterly no concept of what it was that he said which got him banned so it's clearly not a simple matter
Bolded doesn't apply to Luciom at all.
Your right I looked for the post and could not find it. In the context I would agree a suspension is warranted but when individuals here wished Trump dead all they got was a warning
My apologies to Crossnerd
Wishing Trump dead is about the immense difference that would have for billions of people. Mostly anyway. Wishing random virtually powerless people dead because you think they are dumb or because of their politics is awful.
Not that anyone cares, but for the record, I'm just here out of boredom. No one should be banned.
Can I hear about the JD Vance couch stuff? I don't want to google it. Is it true? He admitted it or what's the story?
