Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Typical. Make a mess of things, find an excuse to ban a valued poster and then immediately decide not to address it any longer. Next will be deleting posts and/or locking threads.
Just nut low excuse for moderation.
I get that you don't like the modding here, but can you stop making **** up? Pretty clear reasons were given for why the poster was banned, the poster himself expected to be banned for his actions and said so to a number of people, so how the **** is that "finding an excuse"?
As always, posting as a poster here, not a mod:
free rafiki. He's been a good poster since 2006.
He was clearly very insulted over this, and while it's easy to say "take it easy", if you've read his posts itt then it should be clear that this is not a subject where anyone should be expected to take it easy.
At the very least just exile him from politics.
Meanwhile, if you put “cisgender” in a tweet, musk set it to auto-hide your tweet for hate speech
I understand the mere existence of a single non niche place where it's ok to be right-wing is absurd for you and it feels the same for us having lived in a left-controlled landscape for so long.
As always, posting as a poster here, not a mod:
free rafiki. He's been a good poster since 2006.
He was clearly very insulted over this, and while it's easy to say "take it easy", if you've read his posts itt then it should be clear that this is not a subject where anyone should be expected to take it easy.
At the very least just exile him from politics.
Of course I will think about it, especially given his long history here. I’m certain there is an element of misunderstanding to this whole thing, but, at the same time, it’s not acceptable to take those emotions out on me, or anyone for that matter, the way he did.
And ftr, making a joke that he’s sharing his account with Mets in no way warrants the extreme reaction. If I’ve messed up and you want to talk about it respectfully, I am always open to that. But the way I was approached privately was in no way acceptable.
Can we at least unban Mets to help add another Zionist back into the mix?
if they hold what are now by some considered "far right" ideas that were super-majoritarian almost everywhere for most of recorded history, I'd say almost everywhere?
Ah yes, human history is well known for tolerance to people speaking out against those in power. Or did you mean was OK to "speak your mind", as long as what you said met with approval from the ruling regime?
Of course I will think about it, especially given his long history here. IÂ’m certain there is an element of misunderstanding to this whole thing, but, at the same time, itÂ’s not acceptable to take those emotions out on me, or anyone for that matter, the way he did.
I agree. I don't see any of the conversation except for an appeal for people to apologize when they are wrong in the IP thread, so I don't know exactly what was said, but a perma seems excessive.
I understand the mere existence of a single non niche place where it's ok to be right-wing is absurd for you and it feels the same for us having lived in a left-controlled landscape for so long.
Claim: it’s possible to speak your mind in places that are not left-wing
Counter-claim: twitter, a right-wing platform, banned the word cisgender
Revised claim pretending to be the original claim: I meant speak your mind about being far-right wing
Ok gotchya so you weren’t talking about free speech but being far-right. Unless the only speech you care about is far right speech?
I agree. I don't see any of the conversation except for an appeal for people to apologize when they are wrong in the IP thread, so I don't know exactly what was said, but a perma seems excessive.
He’s the one who brought up a permaban in the PMs, not me. It was a suicide by cop. I don’t “negotiate with terrorists”, as they say.
Claim: it’s possible to speak your mind in places that are not left-wing
Counter-claim: twitter, a right-wing platform, banned the word cisgender
Revised claim pretending to be the original claim: I meant speak your mind about being far-right wing
Ok gotchya so you weren’t talking about free speech but being far-right. Unless the only speech you care about is far right speech?
my claim was always that it's possible to speak your mind as a right-wing person, in places that are not left-majoritarian.
I do prefer actual free speech, but I don't make the rules. and btw even censoring "cisgender" doesn't come close to what the left censors, not even vaguely, not by a thousands of miles.
in order to come close people should get banned for racism if they support affirmative action, and stuff like that (which I don't think will happen on twitter or elsewhere)
Once I said it wasn’t serious, which I did immediately, that should have been enough.
If he felt he was owed an apology, that could have been achieved without the weird extortion attempt and slander campaign. That’s just not how this works, friend, and I am *very* certain that if a user messaged you the way I was messaged, you would not take it well.
when jbouton gained access to the mod forum and made benign allusions to it, the same people defending rafki were vociferous in their desire to permaban him. when rafki gained unauthorized access through whatever means and made what seems to be legitimate threats the same people voice their support for him.
Typically the cop doesn't instigate in a suicide by cop scenario, even as minor as making the joke you made.
They were in here first accusing me of the usual biased moderation and malfeasances. Not sure how I instigated that.
I didn’t think responding somewhat in kind would lead to a complete meltdown from a normally rational poster.
Sigh. Alright. I’m peacing out from this.
See you tomorrow, besties ♥
when jbouton gained access to the mod forum and made benign allusions to it, the same people defending rafki were vociferous in their desire to permaban him. when rafki gained unauthorized access through whatever means and made what seems to be legitimate threats the same people voice their support for him.
Dude, bouton was banned for his long and illustrious body of work of being an insufferable, shall we say, eccentric.
